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Reasons to agree There is no way we can get all the way back to Adam anyways... and so we are told that some work will have to happen during the millenium... but if we have access to angles and help during the millenium, and people who have died know who their parents and children are, then it should only take about a week or so to get it all done, with all the billions of people that are alive now... Reasons to disagree Score : # of reasons to agree: 1 # of reasons to disagree: -0 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0 Total Idea Score: 1 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change

Reasons to agree : +8 LDS church leaders have been more chauvinistic than most other religious leaders of their time . +6 Elder Erastus Snow said, in the Journal of Discourses, v.5 p.291 said: "Do you uphold your husband before God as your lord? ... No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except her husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband; and if not, somebody will receive her as a servant." The LDS church has teachings that no other church has, that a wife is supposed obey her husband while her husband obeys the lord.  Polygamy is chauvinistic, no other church has, in the modern western world, allowed polygamy.  Until September 29th, 1978 women were not authorized to give prayers in sacrament meetings . As documented on the Church's website, under " Major Events in President Kimball’s Administration".  It is Chauvinistic to tell women that their place is in the home  (+1). The LDS church tells its female members, more than ...

Reasons to agree Reasons to disagree Score : # of reasons to agree: 13 # of reasons to disagree: -1 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0 Total Idea Score: -1 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change.

Reasons to agree Pope Alexander VI (1492 - 1503) committed incest with his two sisters and daughter. On October 31, 1501 he conducted the worst ever sex orgy in the Vatican. Pope Paul III (1534 - 1549) as a cardinal fathered three sons and a daughter and sought advice from astrologers. Pope Sergius III (904 - 911) obtained his office by murder Pope Sergius III (904 - 911) fathered several illegitimate children by Marozia Pope John XII (955 - 964) is described in the Catholic encyclopedia as a coarse, immoral man. The Catholic collection of the lives of the Popes, the "Liber Pontificalis" said: "He spent his entire life in adultery." Catholic bishop Luitprand states that "he had no respect for single girls, married woman or widows - they were sure to be defiled by him." Pope Benedict IX (1033 - 1045) committed murders and adulteries in broad daylight, robbed pilgrims, and was regarded as a hideous criminal. The people drove him out of Rome: The Catholic enc...

Reasons to agree If everybody thinks the same way, someone isn't thinking. Reasons to disagree The typical debate forum is not set up in such a format that it makes examining truth claims to be a very productive experience. When you get to forums in which real debate is taking place, people get caught up in all the tedious personal attacks, accusations, oversimplification, and false logic that is typical of modern debate. It is a waste of time just hanging out with people that you already agree with, but it can often be a greater waste of time to try to participate in a meaningful debate in the typical online forum. Score : # of reasons to agree: 1 # of reasons to disagree: -2 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0 Total Idea Score: -1 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change

Reasons to agree : Reasons to disagree :  For $150 you can get local channels. The cable company will charge you $5 a month for this.  A 1 year pay back is good, and you don't have to pay for all the other stuff. [ Submit a reason ]      ( Reason score :  ) [ Submit a reason ]     ( Reason score : )   R2A  (+): __               R2AA  (+):  __              R2DA (-): __ R2A  (+): __               R2AA  (+):  __              R2DA (-): __   Most probable interest of those who agree :   Most probable interest of those who disagree :   Books that can be said to agree :  Books that can be said to disagree  People that agree :   People that disagree :   Webpages that agree :   Webpages that disagree ...

Reasons to agree The desire for financial security is valid, as long as it is not applied in your life in such a way to cause you to disrespect other people's rights. In a just society those who act on valid interest do not commit crimes. The more severe the punishment the less valid the interest. In any society the interest of criminals are not considered valid, when actions resulting from their interest, result in illegal behavior. In these situations, they may be guided by valid interest, however the application of their interest, by perhaps overriding other's interest, results in criminal activity. For the purposes of this website, viewing things on a whole, the desire for great wealth, would be less valid than mere financial security, because the desire for great wealth, more more likely be used as a motivation to break more laws, than mere financial security. All of this is relative, and semantic, but that does not mean we should throw our hands up in the air, and say all...

Reasons to agree If everybody thinks the same way, someone isn't thinking. Reasons to disagree The typical debate forum is not set up in such a format that it makes examining truth claims to be a very productive experience. When you get to forums in which real debate is taking place, people get caught up in all the tedious personal attacks, accusations, oversimplification, and false logic that is typical of modern debate. It is a waste of time just hanging out with people that you already agree with, but it can often be a greater waste of time to try to participate in a meaningful debate in the typical online forum. Score : # of reasons to agree: 1 # of reasons to disagree: -2 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0 Total Idea Score: -1 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change.

Reasons to agree Focusing on interest allows both sides to get what what they really want.

We should tag every belief with a code. Then we tag other beliefs as reasons to agree or disagree. Perhaps each belief would get a numeric code in a database, such as 101. Reasons to agree would be number sequentially, like 101a1, 101a2, etc. Reasons to disagree would be labeled 101d1, 101d2, etc. Reasons to agree with 101a1 would be labeled 101a1a1, and so on. This way the database could, with some very simple code count the number of reasons to agree or disagree with each idea. I am looking for help developing an SQL and PHP database. It would create a post for each conclusion, and post reasons to agree and disagree in separate columns. Here is a Google Code project I created for this: http://code.google.com/p/ideastockexchange/ Check it out for a better explanation.

Reasons to agree "A concept" is a belief, or conclusion. The "sum of [one's] knowledge" is all the information, statistics, facts, and arguments that we have rolling around in our head. Valid conclusions take into account real data. Invalid conclusions ignore important data. If we want to believe things that are valid we need to take in accurate data, and ensure that our conclusions don't contradict each other.

Reasons to agree Reasons to disagree There were thousands of towns and cities in America at the time of Joseph Smith. Because some of them have similar names to names in the Book of Mormon doesn't prove much. You would have to do a pretty sophisticated analysis with multiple places in order for it to prove very much statistically. Score : # of reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree: -1 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0 Total Idea Score: -1 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change.

Reasons to agree There is a Lehigh County, Pennsylvania which is suspiciously close to the name Lehi in the Book of Mormon (-1). Reasons to disagree In order to determine this you would have to sit down with a list of Book of Mormon names, and an accurate list of names around Joseph Smith in his time. Some of the list on Anti-Mormon websites have names of cities that were not even settled yet in Book of Mormon times. So you would have to establish that a neutral party is examining the names, and then you would have to determine the probability that the names in the Book of Mormon were not created from towns surrounding Joseph Smith. Even if you did this, you would only generate a probability that Joseph Smith would have generated those names from actual ancient Nephite Laminite names, and it wouldn't really prove very much, but would have to be taken into consideration with other probabilities that Joseph Smith was inspired... Score : # of reasons to agree: 1 # of reasons to disa...

Reasons to agree : +1 Joseph intentionally misled people about his "visit" by the angel Moroni. Reasons to disagree : -3 If you believe Joseph had a supernatural experience, he could have had a real vision from God, but it could have been while he slept. God has to modify you in order to be able to see spiritual things. LDS people people call this being translated. We cannot, under normal circumstances, perceive spiritual matter or things with normal vision. (D&C 131:7-8) Joseph had to be blessed to hear and see a divine messenger. Others were not so blessed, and so would hear and see nothing. If God can send an angel he can keep the audience to that which he wishes. You don't have to assume that God actively dulled his family member's senses in order to have an Angel speak to Joseph, only that Joseph's senses were enriched. Reasons to agree : +1 Reasons to disagree : -3 Score: -2

Reasons to agree : +1 Joseph said he was visited by an angel in his room, but he couldn't have, because he shared the room with his brothers, and they would have seeing it.  -3 Reasons to disagree Reasons to agree: +1 Reasons to disagree: -0 Reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: -3 Reasons to agree: +1 -3 = -2

Reasons to agree It never crossed their minds. It seems so uncool Score : # of reasons to agree: 2 # of reasons to disagree: -0 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0 Total Idea Score: 2

Background: I am trying to dissect the following article: “ The Mantle Is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect ” by Elder Boyd K. Packer, BYU Studies 21, no. 3 (1981). The statement is this: "There is a temptation for the writer or the teacher of Church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith promoting or not. Some things that are true are not very useful..." http://byustudies.byu.edu/PDFLibrary/21.3Packer.pdf Reasons to agree (with packer) Reasons to disagree (with packer) Joseph Smith taught the following in May 1843, later recorded in Doctrine and Covenants 131:6 : “It is impossible for a man to be saved in ignorance.” So why is Packer trying to keep some truths from us? We should be allowed to determine for ourselves what is "useful".

Background: I am trying to dissect the following article: “ The Mantle Is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect ” by Elder Boyd K. Packer, BYU Studies 21, no. 3 (1981). Reasons to agree : +2 "Properly taught" in this sense can mean nothing else but to hide the negative, and exaggerate the positive. Gordon B. Hinckley disagreed and said: "Well, we have nothing to hide. Our history is an open book. They may find what they are looking for, but the fact is the history of the church is clear and open and leads to faith and strength and virtues." ~ Dec. 25, 2005 interview with The Associated Press

Background: I am trying to dissect the following article: “ The Mantle Is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect ” by Elder Boyd K. Packer, BYU Studies 21, no. 3 (1981). Reasons to agree Reasons to disagree Any church could say this, but if they all set logic aside, their is no way to advocate one above the other. People will be forever trapped within a certain faith tradition, without saying that one is better than another in a logical, informed sort of way. You just have fru-fru- and la-de-da to back you up, and everyone just ignores anything the other guys say, because they aren't looking at the world through the correct contact lenses. If spiritual powers attended the work of the LDS church, you would see more blessings in the lives of its members. If spiritual powers attended the work of the LDS church its leaders would have said fewer stupid things. If spiritual powers attended the work of the LDS church its leaders would have made fewer mistakes. The spiritual powers of the chu...

Reasons to agree If everyone says they are doing what God tells them to, and that we don't have to have logic, then each religion could have absolute moral authority, while all advocating the opposite conclusions. Reasons to disagree “The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Cor. 2:14).

Reasons to agree Some things that are true are not very useful . Reasons to disagree It is hard to know for sure when the spirit has told you something is real, and so you should be able to back up your decision with logic.

Reasons to agree We should judge the world, according to Gospel principles, not the church according to worldly principles Reasons to disagree The end does not justify the means. Just because truth is critical of your church doesn't mean truth should be altered. 

Reasons to agree Gordon B. Hinckley: "Well, we have nothing to hide. Our history is an open book. They may find what they are looking for, but the fact is the history of the church is clear and open and leads to faith and strength and virtues." ~ Dec. 25, 2005 interview with The Associated Press God is a God of Truth God doesn't need us to lie for him Reasons to agree Some things that are true are not very useful . If the spirit tells you the Church is true, then you are going against the spirit when you investigate negative aspects of the Church.

Reasons to agree Cults focus on controlling every aspects of their member's lives. I would say 90% of people who grew up in the 80s were told they couldn't pass the sacrament if they weren't wearing a white shirt. You get weird looks at church if you don't wear a white shirt. Reasons to disagree Catholic priest all wear the same uniform. In the Mormon church ever male member is a holder of the priesthood. The white shirt and tie is sort of arbitrary, but it is seen throughout the world as a more formal attire, and the church leaders don't want to be informal .

Reasons to agree If a white shirt is a symbol of righteousness, aren't black pants, shoes, belts, and suits a symbol of evil? Reasons to disagree Just because you can take the white shirt idea to weird extremes doesn't mean it is bad . Lots of good things can be twisted to weird extremes. 

Reasons to disagree Skin is different than clothes. People understand that every culture inderstands that white clothes can be a symbol of cleanliness. "White people" aren't white, they are a sort of pinkish, tan-ish, off white... White people don't want to be too white. No one said that albino is pure.

Reasons to agree This is one of the most fundamental of all LDS teachers. Gospel principles says: " Many people live in darkness, unsure of God’s will. They believe that the heavens are closed and that people must face the world’s perils alone. How fortunate are the Latter-day Saints! We know that God communicates to the Church through His prophet. With grateful hearts, Saints the world over sing the hymn, “We thank thee, O God, for a prophet to guide us in these latter days” (Hymns, no. 19). " When a prophet speaks for God, it is as if God were speaking (see D&C 1:38) Gospel principles says; We have a prophet living on the earth today. This prophet is the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He has the right to revelation for the entire Church. He holds “the keys of the kingdom,” meaning that he has the authority to direct the entire Church and kingdom of God on earth, including the administration of priesthood ordinances (see Matthew 16:19). No ...

Reasons to agree (+6)  Mormons don't claim their prophets are infallible . (+2)  Mormons claim their leaders have exclusive authority to act in God's behalf. (+2)  The LDS Church has changed doctrines too much for people to worry about following it Mormon prophets disagree . +2 Reasons to disagree Some LDS church leaders use logic to promote their views, not just appeals to their authority.  Score : # of reasons to agree: + 4 # of reasons to disagree: -1 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: + 10 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: - 0 Total Idea Score: +12 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change. Images That agree  

Reasons to agree and disagree Mormon high school students study the Old Testament one year, and the New Testament the next year. Walk into any LDS church and you will see hundreds of Bibles that are well read, and marked. Score : # of reasons to agree: + 2 # of reasons to disagree: -0 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: + 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: - 0 Total Idea Score: +2 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change.

Reasons to agree Writing about the Old Testament prophet Elijah, James said that he was “a man subject to like passions as we are” (James 5:17). Jeremiah got so mad at God that he claimed the Lord had “deceived” him and he swore he would never speak in the name of the Lord again (see Jeremiah 20:7, 9.) Even Peter and Paul had disagreements (see Galatians 2:11-14). Score : # of reasons to agree: + 3 # of reasons to disagree: -0 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: + 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: - 0 Total Idea Score: +3 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change.

Reasons to agree Mormons believe in the Bible (+2), and the Bible teaches that prophets are not infallible (+3). LDS prophets have said they are not perfect. Score : # of reasons to agree: + 2 # of reasons to disagree: -0 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: + 5 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: - 0 Total Idea Score: +7 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change.

Reasons to agree:  +3 Life is short.  Living people need things.  If we need help from God anyways to do our family history work back to Adam, then that means the pressure is off of us to do it now . Scriptures that agree: +1 Matt. 8: 21-23 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. And when he was entered into a ship, his disciples followed him. And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Scriptures that disagree: -1 Mal. 4: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. Score: # of reasons to agree: 3 Scriptures that agree: 1 Scriptures that agree: -1 Total Idea Score: 3