Apr 7, 2009

Obama lies:

Reasons to agree:

  1. Under Obama's plan, middle-class families would see their income taxes cut, with no family making less than $250,000 seeing an increase. However, he did vote for a budget in June 2008, that would raise the taxes on single people with a taxable income of over $32,000 by pushing up their tax bracket from 25% to 28%.
  2. On January 24, 2007, in reference to his stated plan to take public financing should he procure the nomination, he said, "I think that for a time, the presidential public financing system works." On November 27, he said, "I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election," and on February 28, 2008, he wrote that he planned to "aggressively pursue" a publicly financed campaign, later promising to sit down with John McCain to ensure "a public system" of campaign financing is preserved.[75] However, on June 19, 2008, he opted out of public campaign financing.
  3. He originally opposed efforts to include any legal immunity, especially retroactive immunity, for government officials and telecommunications firms alleged to have taken part in the Bush administration's warrantless eavesdropping program as part of legislation to modernize the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.[108] However, on June 20, 2008, Obama issued a statement saying that he would support the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 passed the previous week by the House of Representatives
  4. "Every dollar I’ve proposed, I’ve proposed an additional cut that it matches." (2008 third presidential debate against John McCain Oct 15, 2008 )
  5. In Iowa Obama promising to lead “not by polls, but by principle”. But that was just to win the election. According to Politico Obama governs by polls. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/20852.html
  6. Obama promised to get us out of Iraq.
  7. Promised to close Gitmo.
  8. Obama says that he has not supported cutting funding to the war as a way to end U.S. involvement in the conflict. He stated that, "Once we were in, we were going to have some responsibility to try to make it work as best we can".[170] Obama was however one of 14 senators who voted against the successful passage of H.R.2206 in May 2007, a bill meant to provide continued funding for the Iraq war free from any withdrawal deadlines.[171]
  9. "The Obama administration is signaling to Congress that the president could support taxing some employee health benefits, as several influential lawmakers and many economists favor, to help pay for overhauling the health care system. The proposal is politically problematic for President Obama, however, since it is similar to one he denounced in the presidential campaign as 'the largest middle-class tax increase in history.' " -- New York Times, 3/14
  10. After saying he wouldn't have lobbyists in his administration, Obama made 17 exceptions in the first two weeks in office. ...including Tom Daschle, who worked as a top lobbyist yet was going to be appointed Secretary of Health and Human Services -- until his failure to pay income taxes derailed his nomination.
  11. "Chicago has yet to recoup the $1.74 million cost of President Obama's victory celebration in Grant Park -- despite a burgeoning $50.5 million budget shortfall that threatens more layoffs and union concessions." -- Chicago Sun-Times, 2/20
  12. Obama quietly announced that he would not press for new labor and environmental regulations in the North American Free Trade Agreement, going back on a campaign promise.
Reasons to disagree:
  1. Every campaign promice that is not followed through is not a lie. People should change their minds. The flip-flop charge is stupid. You have to look at the "lie" and try to figure out if it was made in good will. You also should count the number of promices that have been broken, and see who lies the most. Because every politician has gone back on promices. George Bush said no new taxes. Clinton said, "I did not have sex with that Woman". Every politician lies. That is why we need to hook them up to lie detectors. Real lying, when they know they are not telling the truth is a problem, but changin your mind is not a lie.

Webpages that agree:

  1. http://obamalies.net/

You may say these changes aren't a big deal. But it wasn't just Obama changing his mind. He domogoged the issue, lecturing Bush on how wrong he was, and making a big deal about how he was going to be so much better. He made all these big deals, and then very quitly changed his opinion.


Interest of those who agree (that Obama is wrong):

  1. Promoting the Republican Party by attacking a democrat.
  2. Racism (critisizing a minority, Obama, because he is a minority)

Interest of those who disagree (that Obama is right):

  1. Promoting the Democratic Party by defending a democrat.
  2. Liberal guilt (defending a minority, Obama, because he is a minority)

It is pretty messed up for Obama to have voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions

Obama is Wrong:

Reasons to agree:

  1. This bill deals with how young girls are being secretly taken across State lines for the purpose of abortion, without the consent of their parents or even the knowledge of their parents, in violation of the laws of the State in which they live. 45 states have enacted some sort of parental consent laws or parental notification law. By simply secreting a child across State lines, one can frustrate the State legislature's rules. It is subverting and defeating valid, constitutionally approved rights parents have.

  2. Getting pregnant takes a series of choices. If you get pregnant, and you are a child, you are not providing for your own food, or shelter, if you get these things from your parents, these parents who are providing for you, and you live in a state that requires their knowledge of an abortion, it should be wrong for someone who is not caring for the pregnant child, for someone who is not providing food, shelter, to take these children, and assume they know what is better for someone whom they haven't raised from when they were children, and perform an abortion on them without even telling their parents.

This is very difficult stuff to discuss, and I think I could make people hate me for bringing up either side, but I want to word stuff better, and need your help in explaining both sides.

Webpages that agree:

  1. http://www.moralaccountability.com/obama-on-abortion/

This bill prohibits taking minors across State lines in circumvention of laws requiring the involvement of parents in abortion decisions (how messed-up is it that you can take someone else's kids across state lines to get an abortion, so you can BREAK the law, and it is not against the law?). Makes an exception for an abortion necessary to save the life of the minor. Authorizes any parent to sue unless such parent committed an act of incest with the minor. Imposes a fine and/or prison term of up to one year on a physician who performs an abortion on an out-of-state minor in violation of parental notification requirements in their home state.

Interest of those who agree (that Obama is wrong):

  1. Promoting the Republican Party by attacking a democrat.
  2. The desire to criticize something that a minority has said, no matter if it is right or not. Racisms. Attacking a minority because he is a minority.
  3. Making themselves feel better about decisions they might have made.
  4. Protecting the rights of parents.
  5. Limiting the rights of the government to do bad.

Interest of those who disagree (that Obama is wrong):

  1. Promoting the Democratic Party by defending a democrat.
  2. The desire to defend something that a minority has said, no matter if it is right or not. Liberal guilt (defending a minority because he is a minority)
  3. Making themselves feel better about decisions they might have made.
  4. Weakening the rights of parents.
  5. Expanding the rights of the government to do good.

Obama is wrong on abortion, but takes a good approach

Obama is Right! 
Reasons to agree:
  1. [An abortion protester at a campaign event] handed me a pamphlet. “Mr. Obama, I know you’re a Christian, with a family of your own. So how can you support murdering babies?”
    I told him I understood his position but had to disagree with it. I explained my belief that few women made the decision to terminate a pregnancy casually; that any pregnant woman felt the full force of the moral issues involved when making that decision; that I feared a ban on abortion would force women to seek unsafe abortions, as they had once done in this country. I suggested that perhaps we could agree on ways to reduce the number of women who felt the need to have abortions in the first place.
    “I will pray for you,” the protester said. “I pray that you have a change of heart.” Neither my mind nor my heart changed that day, nor did they in the days to come. But that night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer of my own-that I might extend the same presumption of good faith to others that had been extended to me.
    Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.197-8 Oct 1, 2006
  2. Obama is right to reach across the isle for common ground on abortion
  3. Obama was wrong to have voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act
  4. Obama is wrong on embryonic stem cell research

Webpages that agree:

  1. http://www.moralaccountability.com/obama-on-abortion/

Obama is a good dad

Obama is Right! 
Reasons to agree:
  1. "It's not good enough for you to say to your child, 'Do good in school,' and then when that child comes home, you got the TV set on, you got the radio on, you don't check their homework, there is not a book in the house, you've got the video game playing... So turn off the TV set, put the video game away. Buy a little desk or put that child by the kitchen table. Watch them do their homework. If they don't know how to do it, give them help. If you don't know how to do it, call the teacher. Make them go to bed at a reasonable time. Keep them off the streets. Give 'em some breakfast... I also know that if folks letting our children drink eight sodas a day, which some parents do, or, you know, eat a bag of potato chips for lunch, or Popeyes for breakfast [...] You can't do that. Children have to have proper nutrition. That affects also how they study, how they learn in school."
Reasons to disagree:
  1. Its easy to say that you should be a good parent, when he got to ignore the kids all day, and be a senator, a state senator, and president. It is a lot harder when you actually have to watch the kids, change the diapers, 24x7.