Oct 31, 2010

The LDS focus on white shirts is cult like

Reasons to agree
  1. Cults focus on controlling every aspects of their member's lives.
  2. I would say 90% of people who grew up in the 80s were told they couldn't pass the sacrament if they weren't wearing a white shirt.
  3. You get weird looks at church if you don't wear a white shirt.
  1. Catholic priest all wear the same uniform. In the Mormon church ever male member is a holder of the priesthood.
  2. The white shirt and tie is sort of arbitrary, but it is seen throughout the world as a more formal attire, and the church leaders don't want to be informal.

Explanations of symbolism associated with white shirt don't make any sense

Reasons to agree



  1. If a white shirt is a symbol of righteousness, aren't black pants, shoes, belts, and suits a symbol of evil?

  1. Just because you can take the white shirt idea to weird extremes doesn't mean it is bad.

  2. Lots of good things can be twisted to weird extremes. 



With the LDS church's racial problems, they should avoid promoting white shirts as a sign of purity

Reasons to disagree
  1. Skin is different than clothes. People understand that every culture inderstands that white clothes can be a symbol of cleanliness.
  2. "White people" aren't white, they are a sort of pinkish, tan-ish, off white...
  3. White people don't want to be too white.
  4. No one said that albino is pure.

Mormons claim their leaders have exclusive authority to act in God's behalf.

Reasons to agree
  1. This is one of the most fundamental of all LDS teachers.
  2. Gospel principles says: "Many people live in darkness, unsure of God’s will. They believe that the heavens are closed and that people must face the world’s perils alone. How fortunate are the Latter-day Saints! We know that God communicates to the Church through His prophet. With grateful hearts, Saints the world over sing the hymn, “We thank thee, O God, for a prophet to guide us in these latter days” (Hymns, no. 19). "When a prophet speaks for God, it is as if God were speaking (see D&C 1:38) Gospel principles says; We have a prophet living on the earth today. This prophet is the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He has the right to revelation for the entire Church. He holds “the keys of the kingdom,” meaning that he has the authority to direct the entire Church and kingdom of God on earth, including the administration of priesthood ordinances (see Matthew 16:19). No person except the chosen prophet and President can receive God’s will for the entire membership of the Church. The Lord said, “There is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred” (D&C 132:7). The President of the Church is assisted by his counselors in the First Presidency and the members of the Quorum of the Twelve, who are also prophets, seers, and revelators. We should do those things the prophets tell us to do. President Wilford Woodruff said that a prophet will never be allowed to lead the Church astray: “The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the program. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Wilford Woodruff [2004], 199).
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(+10) LDS leaders claim to have God's authority when they tell people what to do, however they claim they never said they were infallible when they want to change their minds +12


Reasons to agree


  1. (+6) Mormons don't claim their prophets are infallible.

  2. (+2) Mormons claim their leaders have exclusive authority to act in God's behalf.

  3. (+2) The LDS Church has changed doctrines too much for people to worry about following it

  4. Mormon prophets disagree. +2





  1. Some LDS church leaders use logic to promote their views, not just appeals to their authority. 






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Mormons believe in the Bible

Reasons to agree and disagree

  1. Mormon high school students study the Old Testament one year, and the New Testament the next year.
  2. Walk into any LDS church and you will see hundreds of Bibles that are well read, and marked.
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The Bible teaches that prophets are not infallible.

Reasons to agree
  1. Writing about the Old Testament prophet Elijah, James said that he was “a man subject to like passions as we are” (James 5:17).
  2. Jeremiah got so mad at God that he claimed the Lord had “deceived” him and he swore he would never speak in the name of the Lord again (see Jeremiah 20:7, 9.)
  3. Even Peter and Paul had disagreements (see Galatians 2:11-14).
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Mormons don't claim their prophets are infallible

Reasons to agree
  1. Mormons believe in the Bible (+2), and the Bible teaches that prophets are not infallible (+3).
  2. LDS prophets have said they are not perfect.
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