May 15, 2011

It is acceptable to define true as inspiring +0




  1. Mat 7:15  ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mt. 12.33

  2. If you believe the Book of Mormon is a standard of truth than Moroni 7:17 supports this idea. It says: "But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil..." With this logic anything that persuadeth someone not to "serve" God is of the devil. This is very black and white logic, but it says that things that are true, can also be of the devil, depending on what they cause to happen in people's lives. This results in problems...







  1.  Some things are real some things are not. Some things really happened and some things did not. We can't fix our problems if we are not living in the real world.

  2. At some point you have to stop believing in Santa, even if a literal belief in Santa might result in "Good". 











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    Saying there are Old Testament scriptures that support something is meaningless, because so many Old Scriptures contradict each other



    1. Gen.1:27 says that man was created equal, male and female, however Gen.2:18-24 says that woman was created as a companion to the man only after he rejected the animals (Gen.1:27: “God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”  Gen.2:18-24:  "And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”

    2. Gen.1:12, 26 says that Man was created after the plants, however Gen.2:5-9 says that Man was created before the plants. (Gen.1:12, 26: “And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” Gen.2:5-9: “Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. ¶ But a [fn]mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole [fn]surface of the ground. ¶ Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living [fn]being. ¶The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. ¶ Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.”

    3. Gen 1:3-5 says that God created and separated light and darkness on the first day. However, Gen 1:14-18 says that God created and separated light and darkness on the fourth day. (Gen 1:3-5: “Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. ¶ God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. ¶ God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.” Gen 1:14-18 says: “Then God said, "Let there be [fn]lights in the [fn]expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; ¶ and let them be for [fn]lights in the [fn]expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. ¶ God made the two [fn]great lights, the greater [fn]light [fn]to govern the day, and the lesser [fn]light [fn]to govern the night; He made the stars also. ¶ God placed them in the [fn]expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, ¶ and [fn]to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. ¶There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day."

    4. Prov 15:3, Jer 16:17,and Jer 23:24 all say that God is everywhere and sees everything. However in Gen.4:9 God asks Cain the whereabouts of his brother, and in Gen 18:20, 21 God goes to see what is happening.

    5. Gen 10:5, 20, 31 says there were many languages before the tower at Babel. However, Gen.11:1 says there was only one language before the tower at Babel.








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      Saying the Old Testament "support something" is meaningless, because so many Old Scriptures contradict each other

      1. Gen.1:27 says that man was created equal, male and female, however Gen.2:18-24 says that woman was created as a companion to the man only after he rejected the animals.

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        God could have changed the DNA of native Americans to test the faith of Mormons




        1. God would not test our faith with designed implausibility



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          DNA analysis proves that Native Americans are not descendants of Israel





          1. Genetic markers can accurately indicate the ethnic background and history of individual people. Scientist have checked the genetic markers of all living native Americans, non of which carry markers consistent with people from the middle east. Markers of Native Americans indicate that they are descendants of people anciently associated with the Altay Mountains area of central Asia.

          2. A God that changes DNA to hide evidence of a book that we should listen to, is not a God of Truth. A God who lies is not worthy of worship, and would sease to be God






          1. God could have changed the DNA of native Americans to test the faith of Mormons.






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          1. Promoting their book (
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          Native American Indians are not descendants of Israel


          The Book of Mormon says that the Jews are the principal ancestors of the American Indians +1




          1. The introduction to the Book of Mormon says: "Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites--Written to the Lamanites, who are remnant of the house of Israel".










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