Nov 11, 2010

LDS Church members have inaccurate understandings of their history.

Joseph said he was visited by an angel in his room, but he couldn't have, because he shared the room with his brothers, and they would have seeing it. -2

Reasons to agree: +1


  1. Joseph intentionally misled people about his "visit" by the angel Moroni.


Reasons to disagree: -3


  1. If you believe Joseph had a supernatural experience, he could have had a real vision from God, but it could have been while he slept.

  2. God has to modify you in order to be able to see spiritual things. LDS people people call this being translated. We cannot, under normal circumstances, perceive spiritual matter or things with normal vision. (D&C 131:7-8) Joseph had to be blessed to hear and see a divine messenger. Others were not so blessed, and so would hear and see nothing. If God can send an angel he can keep the audience to that which he wishes.

  3. You don't have to assume that God actively dulled his family member's senses in order to have an Angel speak to Joseph, only that Joseph's senses were enriched.



Joseph Smith lied about an Angel visiting him -2

Reasons to agree: +1


  1. Joseph said he was visited by an angel in his room, but he couldn't have, because he shared the room with his brothers, and they would have seeing it. -3


Reasons to disagree










Reasons to agree: +1



Reasons to disagree: -0



Reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: -3


Reasons to agree: +1 -3 = -2




Some critics of the LDS church will not consider the possibility that the LDS church may be true +2


Reasons to agree



  1. It never crossed their minds.

  2. It seems so uncool






# of reasons to agree: 2


# of reasons to disagree: -0


# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0


# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0


Total Idea Score: 2