May 15, 2011

It is acceptable to define true as inspiring +0




  1. Mat 7:15  ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mt. 12.33

  2. If you believe the Book of Mormon is a standard of truth than Moroni 7:17 supports this idea. It says: "But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil..." With this logic anything that persuadeth someone not to "serve" God is of the devil. This is very black and white logic, but it says that things that are true, can also be of the devil, depending on what they cause to happen in people's lives. This results in problems...







  1.  Some things are real some things are not. Some things really happened and some things did not. We can't fix our problems if we are not living in the real world.

  2. At some point you have to stop believing in Santa, even if a literal belief in Santa might result in "Good". 











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    Saying there are Old Testament scriptures that support something is meaningless, because so many Old Scriptures contradict each other



    1. Gen.1:27 says that man was created equal, male and female, however Gen.2:18-24 says that woman was created as a companion to the man only after he rejected the animals (Gen.1:27: “God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”  Gen.2:18-24:  "And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”

    2. Gen.1:12, 26 says that Man was created after the plants, however Gen.2:5-9 says that Man was created before the plants. (Gen.1:12, 26: “And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” Gen.2:5-9: “Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. ¶ But a [fn]mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole [fn]surface of the ground. ¶ Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living [fn]being. ¶The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. ¶ Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.”

    3. Gen 1:3-5 says that God created and separated light and darkness on the first day. However, Gen 1:14-18 says that God created and separated light and darkness on the fourth day. (Gen 1:3-5: “Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. ¶ God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. ¶ God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.” Gen 1:14-18 says: “Then God said, "Let there be [fn]lights in the [fn]expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; ¶ and let them be for [fn]lights in the [fn]expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. ¶ God made the two [fn]great lights, the greater [fn]light [fn]to govern the day, and the lesser [fn]light [fn]to govern the night; He made the stars also. ¶ God placed them in the [fn]expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, ¶ and [fn]to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. ¶There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day."

    4. Prov 15:3, Jer 16:17,and Jer 23:24 all say that God is everywhere and sees everything. However in Gen.4:9 God asks Cain the whereabouts of his brother, and in Gen 18:20, 21 God goes to see what is happening.

    5. Gen 10:5, 20, 31 says there were many languages before the tower at Babel. However, Gen.11:1 says there was only one language before the tower at Babel.








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      Saying the Old Testament "support something" is meaningless, because so many Old Scriptures contradict each other

      1. Gen.1:27 says that man was created equal, male and female, however Gen.2:18-24 says that woman was created as a companion to the man only after he rejected the animals.

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        God could have changed the DNA of native Americans to test the faith of Mormons


        Belief: "God could have changed the DNA of Native Americans to test the faith of Mormons" (This argument makes arguments pointless because once you say your book isn't wrong, God is just testing your faith, then you can use that same logic to justify anything).

        Background:

        The Book of Mormon originally claimed to be written for the remnant of the Nephites and Lamanites, describing them as the descendants of the House of Israel, specifically from the time of the prophet Jeremiah (circa 600 BCE). According to the text, Lehi and his family—who were of Middle Eastern descent—migrated to the Americas and became the ancestors of Native American peoples.

        For decades, LDS leaders and scholars reaffirmed this belief, teaching that the indigenous peoples of the Americas were the direct descendants of these Israelite migrants. However, modern DNA analysis of Native American populations has found no genetic link between Native Americans and the Middle East. Instead, genetic studies overwhelmingly show that the ancestors of Native Americans migrated from Siberia and Northeast Asia, contradicting the claims of the Book of Mormon and previous LDS doctrinal interpretations.

        This scientific evidence has led some Mormon apologists to propose alternative explanations, including the claim that "God could have changed the DNA of Native Americans to test the faith of Mormons." This argument suggests that God may have altered the genetic markers to obscure the Israelite ancestry, requiring believers to rely on faith rather than empirical evidence.


        Reasons to agree (but ultimately refuted):

        1. Divine Omnipotence and Testing Faith

          • Claim: God has the power to alter physical evidence, including DNA, as a test of faith.

          • Flaw: This line of reasoning could be used to justify any contradiction between religious claims and empirical evidence, or even between different empirical claims. If accepted, it removes any requirement for evidence-based belief and allows for infinite ad hoc explanations, and worse of all makes any discussion pointless, because people will just believe whatever they want, without any claim to consistency, that any criticisms of your claim are invalid. After all, God is just testing you).

        2. Purpose of Faith Beyond Empirical Evidence

          • Claim: Faith requires belief without direct empirical proof, and scientific discrepancies can strengthen religious conviction.

          • Flaw: If God intentionally deceives people by altering DNA evidence, it undermines the principle of divine honesty and trustworthiness. Faith should be about choosing to believe, not about being misled by manipulated evidence. It's one thing to say that you have faith. It is another thing to claim that God manipulates DNA to make faith harder. 

        3. Historical Precedents of Divine Testing

          • Claim: Scripture recounts instances, where God tested individuals' faith, so altering DNA, could be a modern example.

          • Flaw: Previous divine tests involved moral and spiritual challenges, not scientific deception. There is no precedent for God falsifying physical evidence to mislead believers.

        4. Encouraging Deeper Spiritual Reflection

          • Claim: Confronting contradictions forces believers to engage in deeper spiritual introspection.

          • Flaw: Genuine spiritual growth should be based on seeking truth, not rationalizing contradictions through speculative supernatural intervention.


        Reasons to disagree (Valid Counterarguments):

        1. Science and Faith Should Not Be at Odds

          • If God created a logical, orderly universe, then scientific findings should align with truth rather than be intentionally deceptive.

          • Accepting the argument that "God changed DNA to test faith" removes all accountability for truth claims.

        2. Theological Integrity Requires Honest Evidence

          • If religious claims are true, they should not require speculative justifications that contradict observable reality.

          • Rational faith should be based on principles that encourage honest inquiry rather than dismissal of evidence.

        3. The Dangers of Justifying Anything

          • If one accepts that "God changed DNA to test faith," then any contradiction between religious texts and evidence can be dismissed with the same argument.

          • This reasoning could be used to reject any scientific discovery, historical fact, or contradictory claim without accountability.

        4. Consistency in Apologetics

          • The argument that "God alters evidence to test faith" is rarely applied to other religious claims. If this logic is valid, it would allow competing religions to justify any discrepancy in their own historical records.

          • Faith should be strong enough to reconcile evidence with belief rather than requiring the dismissal of inconvenient facts.


        Interest/Motivation of those who agree:

        ✔️ Mormons and other believers seeking to reconcile scientific challenges with their faith.
        ✔️ Apologists defending religious claims against empirical contradictions.
        ✔️ Those who view faith as independent of or superior to scientific evidence.

        Interest/Motivation of those who disagree:

        ✔️ Advocates for the compatibility of faith and reason.
        ✔️ Scientists and historians prioritize evidence-based conclusions.
        ✔️ Religious thinkers who believe faith should not rely on speculative supernatural interventions.


        Best Solutions to Related Problems:

        ✔️ Encouraging honest theological inquiry—examining religious claims in light of evidence rather than defending contradictions with unverifiable speculation.
        ✔️ Accepting that scripture may contain metaphorical or allegorical elements—allowing for reinterpretation rather than rigid literalism.
        ✔️ Separating faith from empirical science—acknowledging that religious belief does not require rejecting scientific discoveries.
        ✔️ Emphasizing moral and spiritual truths over historical details—focusing on ethical teachings rather than attempting to defend problematic historical claims.


        Unstated Assumptions of Those Who Agree:

        ❗ That God would deliberately deceptively alter physical evidence.
        ❗ That faith requires resisting rather than embracing the truth.
        ❗ That discrepancies between scripture and science must be explained rather than reconsidered.
        ❗ That human interpretation of religious texts is infallible.


        Evidence Scores:

        📌 DNA studies showing Native Americans' genetic origins trace to Asia, not the Middle East.
        📌 Historical research on migration patterns contradicting the Book of Mormon's claims.
        📌 Theological analysis questioning whether God would alter evidence to mislead believers.


        Most Likely Benefits of Rejecting This Argument:

        ✔️ A stronger, evidence-based faith that embraces truth rather than rejecting it.
        ✔️ Greater intellectual honesty in religious discourse.
        ✔️ A more credible and defensible religious belief system.
        ✔️ Improved dialogue between religious and scientific communities.


        Books that agree (refuting the argument):

        📖 Faith and Reason – Richard Swinburne (on reconciling faith with evidence)
        📖 Losing a Lost Tribe – Simon Southerton (on DNA and the Book of Mormon)
        📖 The Demon-Haunted World – Carl Sagan (on avoiding pseudoscience in religious beliefs)

        Books that disagree (defending the argument):

        📖 Shaken Faith Syndrome – Michael R. Ash (on why evidence challenges faith and how to respond)
        📖 Echoes and Evidence of the Book of Mormon – Donald W. Parry (attempts to defend faith-based claims against the evidence)


        Conclusion:

        ✔️ The claim that "God could have changed the DNA of Native Americans to test the faith of Mormons" is an invalid argument that relies on speculative reasoning.
        ✔️ If accepted, this logic can be used to justify any contradiction between religious beliefs and evidence.
        ✔️ A stronger approach is to engage with evidence honestly and develop a faith that does not rely on rejecting scientific findings.
        ✔️ Encouraging intellectual humility and theological adaptation allows faith to coexist with reason rather than being at odds with it.

        DNA analysis proves that Native Americans are not descendants of Israel


        Reasons to Agree:

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        1. Genetic Markers Indicate Asian Ancestry: Scientists have analyzed the genetic markers of all living Native Americans, and none carry markers consistent with people from the Middle East. Instead, Native American genetic markers align with those from the Altay Mountains region of Central Asia.

        2. Scientific Consensus on Genetic Testing: DNA analysis is a reliable method for tracing ancestry, and no peer-reviewed genetic research supports a Middle Eastern origin for Native Americans.

        3. Theological Implications of DNA Alteration: If God altered DNA to hide evidence of a sacred book, it contradicts the idea of a God of Truth. A deity who deceives is not worthy of worship and would cease to be God.

        Faith-Based Argument:

        1. God could have changed the DNA of native Americans to test the faith of Mormons.

        Score Analysis:

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        • # of Reasons to Agree: 3

        • # of Reasons to Disagree: 1

        • # of Reasons to Agree with Reasons to Agree: 0

        • # of Reasons to Disagree with Reasons to Agree: 0

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        1. Promoting their book (Simon G. Southerton)

        2. Promoting the truth
        1. Promoting their career (Apologist)

        2. Promoting the truth

        Common Interest
        1. Promoting the truth
        Opposing Interest

        1.  Promoting the truth

        2. Promoting the Church

        3. Promoting gospel narratives that don't seem to contradict scientific based world views

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        Native American Indians are not descendants of Israel

        Reasons to Disagree:

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        1. Faith-Based Argument: Some believe that God could have changed the DNA of Native Americans to test the faith of Mormons.


        Score Analysis:

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        • # of Reasons to Agree: 3

        • # of Reasons to Disagree: 1

        • # of Reasons to Agree with Reasons to Agree: 0

        • # of Reasons to Disagree with Reasons to Agree: 0

        • Total Idea Score: Pending evaluation of individual argument scores.


        Supporting Evidence:

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        • Books That Agree:

          • Losing a Lost Tribe: Native Americans, DNA, and the Mormon Church – Simon G. Southerton (More Books)

        • Scriptures That Agree: None identified.

        • Scriptures That Disagree: None identified.

        • Legal References That Agree:
          Local, Federal, and International Laws


        Interests and Motivations:

        Interest Analysis

        • Interest of Those Who Agree:

          • Promoting their book (Simon G. Southerton)

          • Promoting scientific accuracy and truth

        • Interest of Those Who Disagree:

          • Promoting their careers as religious apologists

          • Defending religious beliefs and faith-based narratives

        • Common Interests:

          • Seeking and promoting the truth

        • Opposing Interests:

          • Defending institutional religious narratives

          • Reconciling religious faith with scientific evidence


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        Potential Benefits of Accepting This Idea:

        List of Benefits

        • Increased acceptance of scientific evidence in religious discussions.

        • Improved understanding of Native American ancestry and history.

        • Encouragement of open dialogue between science and religion.


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        It is a problem for the Mormon Church that the Book of Mormon Says That the Jews Are the Principal Ancestors of the American Indians.

        Reasons to Agree:

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        1. Book of Mormon Introduction Statement: The introduction to the Book of Mormon states: "Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel."

        2. Historical Teachings of the LDS Church: Many past statements from LDS Church leaders, including Joseph Smith and early church authorities, affirmed that Native Americans were direct descendants of the Jews.

        3. Scriptural Support in the Book of Mormon: Various passages in the Book of Mormon (e.g., 2 Nephi 3:3, Alma 10:3) describe the Lamanites as being of the house of Israel, reinforcing the claim of Jewish ancestry.


        Reasons to Disagree:

        List of Reasons

        1. Modern DNA Evidence: Genetic studies have consistently shown that Native American populations trace ancestry back to Central and East Asia rather than the Middle East. See Wikipedia - Genetics and the Book of Mormon.

        2. LDS Church Cover-Up and Revisionism: The introduction to the Book of Mormon was revised in 2006, changing "principal ancestors" to "among the ancestors," demonstrating an Orwellian attempt to rewrite history while maintaining claims of prophetic infallibility.

        3. Infallibility vs. Changing Doctrine: LDS leaders claim to speak directly to God and declare the Book of Mormon the most correct book ever written. However, historical revisions and doctrinal shifts suggest a pattern of altering past claims while insisting on prophetic authority.

        4. Parallel to Political Rewriting of History: Just as political scandals (e.g., Whitewater, Trump's January 6th justifications) involve covering up mistakes while asserting authority, the LDS leadership similarly revises past teachings while maintaining claims of infallibility.


        Score Analysis:

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        • # of Reasons to Agree: 3

        • # of Reasons to Disagree: 4

        • # of Reasons to Agree with Reasons to Agree: 0

        • # of Reasons to Disagree with Reasons to Agree: 0

        • Total Idea Score: 3-4=-1


        Supporting Evidence:

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        Interests and Motivations:

        Interest Analysis

        • The interest of Those Who Agree:

          • Exposing historical and doctrinal revisions

          • Promoting scientific and genetic research

          • Advocating historical accuracy in religious narratives

        • The interest of Those Who Disagree:

          • Defending traditional LDS teachings

          • Upholding religious faith in the Book of Mormon

        • Common Interests:

          • Seeking and promoting truth

        • Opposing Interests:

          • Defending faith-based interpretations vs. scientific evidence

          • Maintaining institutional credibility


        Media That Supports the Idea:

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        Potential Benefits of Accepting This Idea:

        List of Benefits

        • Greater understanding of LDS doctrine and its evolution over time.

        • Improved reconciliation between religious faith and scientific findings.

        • Encouragement of open dialogue between faith communities and academia.

        • Increased awareness of institutional revisionism and historical accuracy.


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        May 8, 2011

        It is Chauvinistic to tell women that their place is in the home as Moms


        Reasons to agree:




        1. If it is a woman telling another woman that being a stay at home mom was better than they expected, from her personal experience, it could be OK. But trying to make a blanket statement that you try applying to all women, devalues them as individuals (at least the ones that don't want to fit that mold).




        A man will get nearer to God by abiding by the Book of Mormon's precepts than by any other book -1










        1. The New Testament will get you closer to God than the Book of Mormon.


























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          May 7, 2011

          D&C 132 is pretty terrible +3













          D&C 132 is the section of D&C (Mormon Scripture) that Joseph Smith explains the doctrine of Poligamy. Here is the whole thing, but it gets bad here:



          50Behold, I have seen your asacrifices, and will forgive all your sins; I have seen your bsacrifices in obedience to that which I have told you. Go, therefore, and I make a way for your escape, as Icaccepted the offering of Abraham of his son Isaac.


          Commentary: When he says "sins" remember that this revelation was given in 1843. In 1838  Oliver Cowdery wrote a letter claiming that Smith had an Affair with Fanny Alger. At least this seems to indicate that Oliver was still a descent guy, which seems weird. Some people claim that he was collaborating with Joseph Smith, and that the two of them made the whole thing up... 


           51Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.


          These are some weird mind games that Joseph Smith keeps playing with people.... But what was he talking about. 


           52And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.


          This is talking about extra wives. How dare he talk about "virtue" and "purity" when he was marrying other men's wives, while they were still married. 



           53For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.





          The crazy thing is that Joseph Smith got smart, good people to follow him. 



           54And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.




          Here Joseph threatens Emma that if she does not let Joseph have multiple wives, that she will be destroyed. Oh, I mean the Lord threatened her... yeah, that's right.


           55But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold (of wives?) in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives (yep wives!) and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.


           56And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, (I wish I had the Lord around to threaten my wife to forgive me, so that she could be forgiven her trespasses) wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart tobrejoice.


           57And again, I say, let not my servant Joseph put his property out of his hands, lest an enemy come and destroy him; for aSatanseeketh to destroy; for I am the Lord thy God, and he is my servant; and behold, and lo, I am with him, as I was with Abraham, thy father, even unto his cexaltation and glory.


           58Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.


           59Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.


           60Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.



           61And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.




          (Except Joseph married women that were already married to other men!)


           62And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.


           63But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.


           64And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.


           65Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.


           66And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.