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It is acceptable to define true as inspiring +0

Reasons to agree Mat 7:15   ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18   A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mt. 12.33 If you believe the Book of Mormon is a standard of truth than Moroni 7:17 supports this idea. It says: "But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil..." With this logic anything that persuadeth someone not to "serve" God is of the devil. This is very black and white logic, but it say...

Saying there are Old Testament scriptures that support something is meaningless, because so many Old Scriptures contradict each other

Reasons to agree Gen.1:27 says that man was created equal, male and female, however Gen.2:18-24 says that woman was created as a companion to the man only after he rejected the animals (Gen.1:27: “God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”  Gen.2:18-24:  "And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;And the rib, which the LORD God had taken...

Saying the Old Testament "support something" is meaningless, because so many Old Scriptures contradict each other

Reasons to agree Gen.1:27 says that man was created equal, male and female, however Gen.2:18-24 says that woman was created as a companion to the man only after he rejected the animals. Reasons to disagree   Images That agree    Images That disagree Scriptures that agree Scriptures that disagree   Interest of those who agree Interest of those who disagree   Common Interest Opposing Interest   Videos That agree   Videos That disagree   Website that agree Websites that disagree   Related arguments: Score : # of reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree: -0 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0 Total Idea Score: 0 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change

God could have changed the DNA of native Americans to test the faith of Mormons

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Belief: "God could have changed the DNA of Native Americans to test the faith of Mormons" (This argument makes arguments pointless because once you say your book isn't wrong, God is just testing your faith, then you can use that same logic to justify anything). Background: The Book of Mormon originally claimed to be written for the remnant of the Nephites and Lamanites, describing them as the descendants of the House of Israel, specifically from the time of the prophet Jeremiah (circa 600 BCE). According to the text, Lehi and his family—who were of Middle Eastern descent—migrated to the Americas and became the ancestors of Native American peoples. For decades, LDS leaders and scholars reaffirmed this belief, teaching that the indigenous peoples of the Americas were the direct descendants of these Israelite migrants. However, modern DNA analysis of Native American populations has found no genetic link between Native Americans and the Middle East. Instead, genetic studies o...

DNA analysis proves that Native Americans are not descendants of Israel

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Reasons to Agree: List of Reasons Genetic Markers Indicate Asian Ancestry: Scientists have analyzed the genetic markers of all living Native Americans, and none carry markers consistent with people from the Middle East. Instead, Native American genetic markers align with those from the  Altay Mountains  region of Central Asia. Scientific Consensus on Genetic Testing: DNA analysis is a reliable method for tracing ancestry, and no peer-reviewed genetic research supports a Middle Eastern origin for Native Americans. Theological Implications of DNA Alteration: If God altered DNA to hide evidence of a sacred book, it contradicts the idea of a God of Truth. A deity who deceives is not worthy of worship and would cease to be God. Reasons to disagree :  - Faith-Based Argument: God could have changed the DNA of native  Americans  to test the faith of Mormons . Score Analysis: Scoring Criteria # of Reasons to Agree: 3 # of Reasons to Disagree: 1 # of Reasons to Agree...

Native American Indians are not descendants of Israel

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Reasons to Agree: List of Reasons DNA analysis proves that Native Americans are not descendants of Israel. Reasons to Disagree: List of Reasons Faith-Based Argument: Some believe that God could have changed the DNA of Native Americans to test the faith of Mormons. Score Analysis: Scoring Criteria # of Reasons to Agree: 3 # of Reasons to Disagree: 1 # of Reasons to Agree with Reasons to Agree: 0 # of Reasons to Disagree with Reasons to Agree: 0 Total Idea Score: Pending evaluation of individual argument scores. Supporting Evidence: Evidence Scores Books That Agree: Losing a Lost Tribe: Native Americans, DNA, and the Mormon Church – Simon G. Southerton ( More Books ) Scriptures That Agree: None identified. Scriptures That Disagree: None identified. Legal References That Agree: Local, Federal, and International Laws Interests and Motivations: Interest Analysis Interest of Those Who Agree: Promoting their book ( Simon G. Southerton ) Promoting scientific accuracy and...

It is a problem for the Mormon Church that the Book of Mormon Says That the Jews Are the Principal Ancestors of the American Indians.

Reasons to Agree: List of Reasons Book of Mormon Introduction Statement: The introduction to the Book of Mormon states: "Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel." Historical Teachings of the LDS Church: Many past statements from LDS Church leaders, including Joseph Smith and early church authorities, affirmed that Native Americans were direct descendants of the Jews. Scriptural Support in the Book of Mormon: Various passages in the Book of Mormon (e.g., 2 Nephi 3:3 , Alma 10:3 ) describe the Lamanites as being of the house of Israel, reinforcing the claim of Jewish ancestry. Reasons to Disagree: List of Reasons Modern DNA Evidence: Genetic studies have consistently shown that Native American populations trace ancestry back to Central and East Asia rather than the Middle East. See Wikipedia - Genetics and the Book of Mormon . LDS Church Cover-Up and Revisio...

It is Chauvinistic to tell women that their place is in the home as Moms

Reasons to agree: If it is a woman telling another woman that being a stay at home mom was better than they expected, from her personal experience, it could be OK. But trying to make a blanket statement that you try applying to all women, devalues them as individuals (at least the ones that don't want to fit that mold). LDS teaching and doctrine are sexist and chauvinistic

A man will get nearer to God by abiding by the Book of Mormon's precepts than by any other book -1

Reasons to agree : +0 Reasons to disagree : 1 The New Testament will get you closer to God than the Book of Mormon. Score : # of reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree: -1 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0 Total Idea Score: - 1 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change

D&C 132 is pretty terrible +3

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D&C 132  is the section of D&C (Mormon Scripture) that Joseph Smith explains the doctrine of Poligamy. Here is the whole thing, but it gets bad here: 50 Behold, I have seen your  a sacrifices , and will forgive all your sins; I have seen your  b sacrifices  in obedience to that which I have told you. Go, therefore, and I make a way for your escape, as I c accepted  the offering of Abraham of his son Isaac. Commentary: When he says "sins" remember that this revelation was given in 1843. In 1838  Oliver Cowdery wrote a letter  claiming  that Smith had an Affair with Fanny Alger. At least this seems to indicate that Oliver was still a descent guy, which seems weird. Some people claim that he was collaborating with Joseph Smith, and that the two of them made the whole thing up...    51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself a...