Showing posts with label mormon chauvinism. Show all posts
Showing posts with label mormon chauvinism. Show all posts

It is Chauvinistic to tell women that their place is in the home as Moms


Reasons to agree:




  1. If it is a woman telling another woman that being a stay at home mom was better than they expected, from her personal experience, it could be OK. But trying to make a blanket statement that you try applying to all women, devalues them as individuals (at least the ones that don't want to fit that mold).




LDS church leaders have been more chauvinistic than most other religious leaders of their time (+6)


Reasons to agree: +8


  1. LDS church leaders have been more chauvinistic than most other religious leaders of their time. +6

  2. Elder Erastus Snow said, in the Journal of Discourses, v.5 p.291 said: "Do you uphold your husband before God as your lord? ... No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except her husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband; and if not, somebody will receive her as a servant."

  3. The LDS church has teachings that no other church has, that a wife is supposed obey her husband while her husband obeys the lord. 

  4. Polygamy is chauvinistic, no other church has, in the modern western world, allowed polygamy. 

  5. Until September 29th, 1978 women were not authorized to give prayers in sacrament meetings. As documented on the Church's website, under "Major Events in President Kimball’s Administration". 

  6. It is Chauvinistic to tell women that their place is in the home (+1). The LDS church tells its female members, more than other churches, that their place is in the home as mothers. 

  7. Some churches give Women the priesthood. This doesn't prove that the LDS more chovenist than most, but it does prove that the Church (or God if the LDS church is true) is more chauvinistic than those churches that do allow women priests (see Ordination of women on Wikipedia)

  8. The LDS church allowed polygamy for Men but not for women. This is pretty chauvinistic, and devalues women. (See Mormonism and Polygamy)

  9. It doesn't do any good to say other churches were bad to. The LDS church is an all or nothing sort of thing. The leaders of the LDS church claim to speak to Jesus on a regular basis. They can't claim this, and also go around doing the same stupid things other churches do. 






  1. Utah was the 2nd state to allow women to vote, which indicates that, even though some leaders said some stupid things, as a whole the LDS movement is less chauvinistic than average. (Women's suffrage: Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, and Idaho)

  2. Mormons believe in a "Mother in Heaven" as a doctrine forces them to have respect for women. (Heavenly Mother, Mormonism).

  3. We took very good records of our time, and we are one organization that existed a long time ago. There was no one Methodist church in the same way, a hundred years ago, with similar leaders. But if you would have written down the things they said, perhaps they would have been just as bad. 









# of reasons to agree: 8





# of reasons to disagree: -3




# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 1




# of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0




Total Idea Score: 6










Joseph Smith had relationships with women so much younger than him, that it shows that he did not value them as intellectual or spiritual beings +3


Reasons to agree: +4




  1. Joseph was 38 when he married Helen Mar Kimball who was only 14. She continued to live with her parents, and never married lived with Joseph. When she grew up she married someone else, and never seemed to have had sex with Joseph. They were trying to just seal people to each other, but still it seems weird that Joseph would seal her to him as a wife. Why didn't he just adopt her as a daughter?

  2. Joseph Smith was 28 when he had an affair, or a plural marriage with Fanny Alger who was 16.

  3. Joseph Smith was 37 when he married Sarah Ann Whitney who was 17 years old.

  4. Statements by William Law and Eliza R. Snow indicate that the marriages included sexual intimacy.[121][122] "Joseph was very free in his talk about his women. He told me one day of a certain girl and remarked, that she had given him more pleasure than any girl he had ever enjoyed. I told him it was horrible to talk like this." - Joseph Smith's close confidant and LDS Church First Councilor, William Law, Interview in Salt Lake Tribune, July 31, 188. When Heber C. Kimball asked Sister Eliza R. Snow the question if she was not a virgin although married to Joseph Smith, she replied, "I thought you knew Joseph Smith better than that." - Stake President Angus M. Cannon, statement of interview with Joseph III, 23, LDS archives.







  1. No DNA evidence exist that Joseph Smith fathered any other children than with his wife Emma. Most historians agree that Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, taught and practiced polygamy during his ministry, and married several dozen women during his lifetime, even though Smith, and the leading quorums of his church, publicly denied he taught or practiced it.[1][2][3] Additionally, after his death, several women were "sealed" to him.[4]