I'm looking to build a list of reasons to agree or disagree... This is all I have so far: Please help!

Sports have been pretty fun for the Michael Laub family

Background, context, and Assumptions
Executive Summary: So far James has done:
  • Soccer
    • 2 season in Chicago (Red Devils. 
    • 1 season in Denver
  • Tee-Ball
    • 1 season in Chicago (Pirates)
  • Basketball
    • I helped coach 2 intro to basketball courses
  • Rock Climbing
    • I took two climbing classes with James. 
  • Swimming
    • 2 or 3 learn to swim courses in Chicago
    • Classes with Mrs. Lori in Denver
  • Tennis
    • 1 short class in Denver
Running
James being aggressive
He actually got a little bit of air!
I'm not sure what is going on here
James especially did well towards the end of the season, becoming pretty aggressive. 


2012 James Soccer
James told me that soccer is his favorite sport. Then rock climbing. Most of the other kids have played before (he is kind of old I guess to be starting) but he is having fun.

I think it moves faster. I'm helping out coach a little, and am thinking about coaching next year.

He plays his 2nd game this week end, and his grandparents may be able to see him.
James at the back of the line for one of his soccer drills. 
His Soccer photo turned out much better than his school photo 

Kids like (and are are like) wild animals

Kids like (and are are like) wild animals 

Reasons to Agree: 2
  1. Animals are cool.
  2. Seeing wild animals connects people to millions of years of hunting: which has historically included risk and adrenalin. It seems almost natural to start chasing wild animals. 
  3. Seeing wild animals connects kids to another world, and so it is eye-opening, which can be fun and interesting..

James and Geese on the Payette Lake

Images that agree

Big Horn Sheep, Rocky Mountain National Park, 2014
Phil looking at an Elk in Estes Park, 2014
A bare we saw in Estes Park, 2014. Megan kept saying all the guys were trying to get closer, but the women were protecting the kids.
Big Horn Sheep, Rocky Mountain National Park, 2014
 
This is a photo of a mother "merganser" with its baby riding on its back. My kids and I watched it on the Payette Lake which is in Northern Idaho (2012).


A photo of a Stellar's jay, on the railing of my cousin's cabin in McCall Idaho (2012)


Do you have any cool wildlife photos? Maybe I should take it up as a hobby.

Osprey and James at the Deer Flat National Wildlife Refuge, 2012
Osprey at the Deer Flat National Wildlife Refuge, 2012
Osprey and James at the Deer Flat National Wildlife Refuge, 2012

A Frog we caught at the local park

Webpages that agree:

  1. Laub Life: The Robin Has Landed
I don't know what type of bird this is, 2014, Bear Lake, Rocky Mountain National Park





Not so wild animals

3.  A worker at the World Center for Birds of Prey in Boise Idaho: Peregrine Falcon, 2012


Grandma, Grandpa, and James Birds of Prey 2012


James, Ali, and Carlene with a wingspan at the Brookfield Zoo (2012)


James with a California Condor wingspan at the Idaho Birds of Prey (2012)

James, Teddy Roosivelt, and some bass at the Deer Flat National Wildlife Refuge, 2012


Ali is a good artist

Ali did this awesome picture. I love the fish floating all around. It is a sketch within a sketch. She based it on my sketch of a sketch below. 
The lake that I worked at in the summer of 1995, sketched from my freshman dorm room that fall. 

Andre Breton is not the father of surrealism

Pretty good detail

I tried to do some combined art, but it needs some work...

Ali hard at work



"The Plains" is a good Conservation Center +7

Background, Context, and Assumptions
Links:

  1. https://www.facebook.com/plainscenter
  2. http://www.plainscenter.org/
  3. We need conservation centers
  4. The state should pay for conservation centers.
  5. The state should have conversations centers near major towns? Perhaps not. They keep rattle snakes, which is OK I guess. But deer are not endangered. In fact, sense we killed off wovles their are probably too many of them. I guess it is good for for people who live in cities to see them, but they also get hit by cars a lot. When you put conservation centers in places where cities are trying to grow, you are forcing people to drive further. Sure, you could develop more densely, but your not so your only options for a particular piece of land is subdivision nearer the city, or on the other side of the conservation center, and their is an argument to be said to move all the "conversations centers" further away from the cities... But, I guess people need parks and stuff, and public spaces...

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Best reasons to agree: +
  1. They have Prairy Dogs
  2. They have snakes
  3. They have an old fashioned play ground, with a giant sand box.
  4. They have over 5 miles of hiking trails.
  5. They have a visitor center with live animal displays and interactive exhibits
  6. They have a 1837 Cheyenne Indian camp
  7. They have a replica 1887 sod homestead with soddies, one-room schoolhouse, workshop with blacksmith forge, and farm animals.

Score:
# of reasons to agree: +3
# of reasons to disagree: -3
# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0
Total Idea Score: +0

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Blog Explanation
Besides just trying to come up with a list of reasons to agree or disagree, I am trying to promote an algorithm, that counts these reasons and gives each conclusion a score based on the number of reasons to agree compared to the number of reasons to disagree. However, because each reason (or argument) that supports a conclusion will not be just as valid as the other arguments, I think an algorithm should be made that also judges REASONS or arguments based on the number of REASONS that agree or disagree with them...

This blog is trying to use this format of outlining arguments and sub arguments.

Below is my score, so far, for the above belief. The score is based on arguments that I have come up with so far. But I need your help. I can't brainstorm all the reasons to agree or disagree with an argument by myself. And the number of arguments that agree or disagree with a conclusion will affect the overall score.  

East Quincy Highlands (EQH), a subdivision in Aurora Colorado, is a great place to live, and is about the best it could be. +8

Background, Context, and Assumptions
A subdivision is a good place to live if it: has good schools, offers good houses for the price, is safe, and is close to things you want to go to.

Links:
  1. https://www.facebook.com/groups/eastquincyhighlands/ 
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Best reasons to agree: +4
  1. East Quincy Highlands has good schools. It is part of the Cherry Creek, School District No. 5, which scores a 7 out of 10 on the Great Schools ranking. A 7 is about perfect. It is good enough to give your kids a great education, but not so nice that it will allow the culture of the school to be over-run by spoiled rotten little entitled brats. 
  2. The houses are pretty new, pretty big and pretty nice. Of course they get better (for the same price) the further east you go, and you can't get much further east. If you hate traffic, it is probably better to go east than North or South, because there are big cities up there full of people who want to drive to Denver, and it is desirable to live along the front range, if you like skiing, hiking, and stuff.  Going east is good, if you want to trade recreational location for commute location... There were some similar commute times up north, but who wants to drive past a refinery and Commerce City and a Dog Food Factory (no kidding) on the way to work? If your job moves, or your wife wants to get a job is she going to work in Commerce City Co as a pimp, prostitute, or drug dealer? No, I'm just joking. West Minster and Thornton have some nice areas, but no big tall buildings you are likely to want to work in. EQH is about the same distance to downtown as similar priced homes up north, but you are much closer to the Tech Center. 
  3. EQH is less than a mile from the Plains Conservation Center, which is pretty cool (+7).
  4. Although the city does not provide awesome parks, they do provide pretty good schools, that the community can use a bit, which is pretty cool.
  1. It is about 1 hour and 10 minutes from EQH to the clock tower down town Denver, if you drive to 9-mile, and catch the train. The train's don't care about people who have to live a long ways away, and unlike Chicago and other cities, the transit authority does not have any "express trains" that start in the suburbs and go straight down town. I know they want to reward those who live close, but couldn't they just have one? That would save energy by not having to use the breaks all the time, and would make the train less crowded for those who are close.
  2. It is not as "safe" as it could be. There are no speed bumps, and the little soccer moms come cruising through the streets at about 90 mph in the land behemoths. Also, although it has good side walks, it would be cooler if people traffic was routed through walking paths away from the road... There are a few of these routs, and it is probably too late to change, but it is is what it is. Also, my kids buss is 1/3 of a mile away. Sure, the buss is great, but couldn't it make one or two stops, so they don't have to walk so far? 
  3. EQH is close to a dump, which isn't the best. It doesn't ever smell, but I believe it is a super-fund sight with the federal government cleaning up the ground water. Its probably better than living close to a refinery, coal factory, but it isn't that great.
Score:
# of reasons to agree: +4
# of reasons to disagree: -3
# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0
Total Idea Score: +0

Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change.

For a full explanation of this project, please visit our  Google code website: https://code.google.com/p/ideastockexchange/

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Blog Explanation
Besides just trying to come up with a list of reasons to agree or disagree, I am trying to promote an algorithm, that counts these reasons and gives each conclusion a score based on the number of reasons to agree compared to the number of reasons to disagree. However, because each reason (or argument) that supports a conclusion will not be just as valid as the other arguments, I think an algorithm should be made that also judges REASONS or arguments based on the number of REASONS that agree or disagree with them...

This blog is trying to use this format of outlining arguments and sub arguments.

Below is my score, so far, for the above belief. The score is based on arguments that I have come up with so far. But I need your help. I can't brainstorm all the reasons to agree or disagree with an argument by myself. And the number of arguments that agree or disagree with a conclusion will affect the overall score.  

Chuck norris is the toughest man on earth

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Images that agree:
  1. None yet found by our supercomputers and team of scientist. 

People are naturally good

Images that agree: +2

People risk their own safety to help complete strangers.
 
Some kids do not take naturally to violent traditions.



People that agree: +
People that disagree: -
  1. Communist. Karl Marx assumed that once communist got to power, they would look out for the needs of the poor. Unfortunately in the Soviet Union, the communist lived like kings, and poor people had enough to live on, but they had no freedom, or motivation to work. 
  1. The founding fathers. The founding fathers knew, from looking at history, that people tend to seek power. As this happens, they expand the power that an office holds (for instance king). These keeps happening until people are slaves of the king. That is why they created separation of powers, so that each branch of government could "check" or limit the power of the other branch of Government. The founding fathers also did not like government to have too much democracy, because they felt that common people were too swayed by emotion, or crowds. That is why members of the senate were originally appointed by each state's representatives. 
  2. The guy who wrote Lord of the Flies.
  3. Police: they see too much stuff.
  4. Judges.
  5. Lawyers
  6. They guy who said, power corrupts and ultimate power corrupts ultimately. 
  7. Prison Guards
  8. Victims of crime. 

You should be careful around fire

You should keep bat houses around your house.


  1. Bats eat hundreds or thousands of mosquitoes every day
  1. Bat poop is disease ridden.
  2. If you put out bat houses to attract bats to your neighborhood, they will get into your or your neighbor's attick. You don't want bats getting into your attick having babies messing up your insulation, and making bigger holes into the attick. 
Bats eat thousands of mosquitoes

Mountains are cool


  1. Mountains allow you easy access to the potential energy of gravity, which allows you to mountain bike, ski, or river kayak fast. These are good ways to exercise, and they don't require loud motors. 
  2. Mountains let you see things that are a long ways away. 
  3. Mountains allow you to see and think about the true history of the earth, and the incredible power that caused them.. Looking at mountains lets you to see through time. 
  1. Motors allow you to go fast without mountains. The wind gives you access to potential energy, on a large lake or ocean, which also allows you to go fast. 
  2. Tall building let you see a long way.

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Denver is a better place to live than Chicago

Best reasons to agree: +5
  1. Denver has a better climate than Chicago
  2. Denver is closer to cooler stuff than Chicago
    1. Reasons to agree: +2
      1. Denver is close to the Rocky mountains, which is cool for camping. 
      2. Denver is closer to national parks (Yellowstone, and Glacier) than Chicago
      3. It is easier to go water skiing, mountain biking, rock climbing in Denver than Chicago. If you like skiing, Denver is one of the best places in the USA to live.
    2. Reasons to disagree:
      1. Big deal. Denver has the mountains. Chicago has the great lakes. You can go trout fishing in Denver, but you can go deep-lake fishing, or big lake sailing in Chicago. The lake is just as pretty as the mountains. 
      2. Chicago has better museums, cultural exhibits, and attractions than Denver +3
  3. Denver has better air quality and water quality than cities like Chicago.
  4. There is a lot of good low cost parking down town Denver.
  5. Denver has good Public Transportation
Best reasons to disagree: -4
  1. The rent is "too damn high". Home prices have sky rocketed. I hope we are not in another bubble. 
  2. It is very confusing to get used to driving in down town Denver. 
    1. Some of the City lines up with the river, some of it lines up with North South 
  3. By preventing growth, government officials artificially keep housing prices too high. This might feel like it is good for current home owners, but it makes people spend too much money on housing. Also, when high density development is prevented from being built relatively close to the city, it forces people to drive longer commutes. This results in more smog, CO2, and poor life stiles for those who commute. 
  4. It is very strange that the light rail system only goes south and one line goes west... Why such segregation and preferential treatment? Why wouldn't the city treat down town as the center, and try to grow equally in all directions? 
  5. There are too many drug addicts, and alcoholics peeing in the streets and bothering people in Denver.
    1. My mother in law was yelled at by a homeless person the very first time she visited Denver. She was scared. 
    2. The girls that work in my office don't like to come down town at night because of them. They have all had homeless people follow, and yell at them. They all have horror stories from friends who have had worse things happen to them. 
    3. Young girls feel safe in down town Chicago, in the loop, walking around at 2am in the morning. There is no place in Denver that feels as safe as the shopping areas of Chicago at any time of the day, let alone at 2am in the morning. Denver could improve the way they deal with their homeless. 
    4. Many women and children don't feel safe downtown Denver when their almost a hundred dirty mentally ill people just standing around all the time near the homeless shelter that is located right in the center of a city that you want people to feel safe in. You see these dirty smelly people everywhere. I saw a sign yesterday that said: Cash, Grass, or Ass. I did not know homeless people were allowed to ask for sex or drugs, but there are kids around, and it makes me sick. 
  6. People in Denver think their city is better than any other city, and that, by extension, they are better than people who live in other places. They make self righteous videos about their mountains. They don't have enough self awareness or geographical information to realize that other places also have mountains. They make reverential movies about their sports teams, which is pretty pathetic, unless of course you are from here... which in that case, these are the best sports teams ever... 
Score:
# of reasons to agree: +5
# of reasons to disagree: -6
# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +3
# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -1
Total Idea Score: +2

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Best books that agree: +

                                                                                      
Best webpages that agree: +

Best webpages that agree: -

                                                                                      
Interest of those who agree: +
  1. Groupism, local pride, regionalism
Interest of those who disagree: -

                                                                                      
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Poems that agree: +



Poems that disagree: -

                                                                                      
Podcast that agree: +

Podcast that disagree: -
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Songs that agree: +
  1. Rocky Mountain High by John Denver
Songs that disagree: -

                                                                                      
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For us, Denver is closer to family, so it is better.

People from Denver love Denver.
I don't think anyone should feel like they are better than other people, because they live in a better place. Some times you meet people from a place they think is great, and they act like they are better than you because they are from that place. Every place has some good and bad, and just because you live in a good place does not make you better than other people.

They often have these bumper stickers that have the Denver Mountains Skyline, with words that say "Native". You don't know why people put these stickers on their cars, but you assume most of them think they are somehow better because they were born here. They don't like the new people moving into their town.

As someone who has just moved here, this rubs me a bit wrong. I like Denver. It has a good job which brought me here. It is closer to my family in Boise than Salt Lake. It also seems like it has some other cool stuff. I guess you can cheer for the home team, but don't go to far. I propose that there is nothing in Denver that you can't find equally as good in other cities, and that the combination of things in Denver, is not that much better than other cities. US News, CNN Money, and other places rank cities by crime, economy, cultural events, housing, and transportation. Talking to people in Denver you would think that Denver is at the top of every single of these lists. Denver is not on the Top 10 of US News.  Forbes Ranks Denver Metro #5, which is pretty good, for doing business. But they rank Provo Utah as number #1, so can we take that list seriously?

Denver might have a hard time comparing to Oregon, San Francisco, Boston, New York, or Houston, depending on what you wanted. There are parts of Denver that are better than all of these cities, but all of these cities has aspects that are better than Denver. It just depends on what you are looking for. But people from Denver should not feel self righteous, because there are lots of other great places to live.

      Independence Plaza in Denver is a great place to work

      Best reasons to agree: +

      1. It close to 16th street mall
      2. It offers good views of the city
        1. Reasons to disagree
          1. The view to the south west is blocked by the Westin
      Best reasons to disagree: -
      Score:
      # of reasons to agree: +1
      # of reasons to disagree: -0
      # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0
      # of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0
      Total Idea Score: +0

      Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change.
                                                                                            

      Images that agree:
       A view to the South West from the 16th floor.


      Images that disagree:

          Chicago has better public art than Denver (-2.5)

          Best reasons to agree: +5

          1. Chicago has the cloud gate which a giant mirror type reflective culture that is sort of in the shape of a bean, but underneath it does weird mirror reflections... It lets you take cool pictures of yourself with the Chicago Sky line.
          2. Chicago has a frank gehry pavilion  right in the middle of down town.
          3. Chicago has a giant Picasso.
          4. Chicago has a river that goes through it.
          5. Chicago has more cool buildings, and more interesting architecture. 
          1. Denver has a blue bear that looks in a window for some reason.
          2. Denver has murals, but to be fair they are mostly commercial in nature, promoting the building they are painted in.

          Score:
          # of reasons to agree: +0
          # of reasons to disagree: -1
          # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0
          # of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -3/2 = -1.5
          Total Idea Score: -2.5

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          Best webpages that agree: +
          1. This link shows all the public art in the Chicago loop. There are also links for public art in the Chicago southwest, near south side, south east side, and north side
          2. The Chicago Public Art Program's website. 


          Images that agree:

          This picture is typical of the murals that you see in down town Denver. It is OK, but doesn't really compare to the art you see in Chicago. Its fine that Denver couldn't afford a large Picasso sculture, but if you want to see famous, or renowned public art, you should go to Chicago, not Denver. 
          They have similar cows in every big city that get painted for that city for some reaosn
          Kind of a Mexican Gang flavored public art. 

          There is a lot of dumb graffiti in Denver. 

          Best reasons to agree: +



          Background Context and Assumptions
          Government shouldn't spend money on Public Art. 
          Best reasons to agree: +5

          1. This is just taking money from the poor and middle class to support the interest of the Rich. 
          2. If people want art in their lives they can buy it themselves. When government subsidizes art they have to make choices. The people making these choices are experts who are trying to make decisions for the public. They invariably look down on the public, because in general the public is not interested in spending much money on original art.