Showing posts with label Polygamy. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Polygamy. Show all posts

Polygamy leaves some men with no women to marry +3


Reasons to agree: +3


  1. When one man marries two women, some other man marries no woman. When one man marries three women, two other men don't marry. When one man marries four women, three other men don't marry. Monogamy gives everyone a shot at marriage. Polygyny, by contrast, is a zero-sum game that skews the marriage market so that some men marry at the expense of others.China and India have a lot of sex-selective abortion, leaving more men than women. 

  2. We already have too many unmarried men. China and India have some sex-selective abortion and infanticide, leaving too many men. 

  3. By the year 2020 extra men will make up 12 to 15 percent of the young adult male population in China and India. 


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Polygamy is bad +4


Reasons to agree


  1. Polygamy leaves some men with no women to marry. +3 When some men don't have viable chances of marriage, it is bad for society. 


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D&C 132 is pretty terrible +3













D&C 132 is the section of D&C (Mormon Scripture) that Joseph Smith explains the doctrine of Poligamy. Here is the whole thing, but it gets bad here:



50Behold, I have seen your asacrifices, and will forgive all your sins; I have seen your bsacrifices in obedience to that which I have told you. Go, therefore, and I make a way for your escape, as Icaccepted the offering of Abraham of his son Isaac.


Commentary: When he says "sins" remember that this revelation was given in 1843. In 1838  Oliver Cowdery wrote a letter claiming that Smith had an Affair with Fanny Alger. At least this seems to indicate that Oliver was still a descent guy, which seems weird. Some people claim that he was collaborating with Joseph Smith, and that the two of them made the whole thing up... 


 51Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.


These are some weird mind games that Joseph Smith keeps playing with people.... But what was he talking about. 


 52And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.


This is talking about extra wives. How dare he talk about "virtue" and "purity" when he was marrying other men's wives, while they were still married. 



 53For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.





The crazy thing is that Joseph Smith got smart, good people to follow him. 



 54And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.




Here Joseph threatens Emma that if she does not let Joseph have multiple wives, that she will be destroyed. Oh, I mean the Lord threatened her... yeah, that's right.


 55But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold (of wives?) in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives (yep wives!) and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.


 56And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, (I wish I had the Lord around to threaten my wife to forgive me, so that she could be forgiven her trespasses) wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart tobrejoice.


 57And again, I say, let not my servant Joseph put his property out of his hands, lest an enemy come and destroy him; for aSatanseeketh to destroy; for I am the Lord thy God, and he is my servant; and behold, and lo, I am with him, as I was with Abraham, thy father, even unto his cexaltation and glory.


 58Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.


 59Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.


 60Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.



 61And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.




(Except Joseph married women that were already married to other men!)


 62And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.


 63But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.


 64And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.


 65Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.


 66And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.