Dec 1, 2012

"My life story": Alta Lealette, Anderson Laub.

This is my dad's mom's mom's life history. Also check out the ongoing projects for my dad, and mom, and mom's mom.

(I (Michael Laub) typed the below from a photocopy of the original, which was typed from my Grandmother. I did it pretty fast, and know there are lots of spelling mistakes... )





My Parents were Mormon pioneers, my father, James Peter Anderson, was born 28th of August 1862, Ephraim, Sandpete County Utah, was the son of Neil's Anderson, who came from Lond Sweden, and his mother Ingaborg Paulsen who came from Dyver Norway for the Gospel. My mother's father was Peter Thomander, son of one of Sweden’s Great Theology professors, John Henric Thomander who was head of the theological department at Lund University when the first Mormon Missionaries went to Sweden. Peter Thomander met Ingaborg Pearson, his wife to be, on the ship which brought them to America, where they were to join the Saints in Ephraim, Sanpete County, Utah. Shortly after arriving, they were called to go to Circle Valley to help build up that area. And that is where my mother, Martha Caroline Thomander was born 12th of June 1866.

Because of the Indian troubles the Saint of Circle Valley, Piute County were recalled to Ephraim and it was there eight of the 10 children of my parents were born:
  • · 14th of April 1887, James IRA. 
  • · 1st of November 1888, James (still born); 
  • · 9th of February 1890. Lucretia; 
  • · 8th of July 1892, Drusilla Naomi; 
  • · 13th of September 1894, Ada Beulah, 
  • · 2nd of September 1896, Hugh Preston, 
  • · 2nd of May 1899 Onedia May 
  • · 26 Nov 1902, Luella Theora; 
My family moved to spring to Spring Glen in 1904. Spring Glen is a small picturesque town situated on the bench land east of the Rail Road and Highway that connect Helper and Price, in Carbon County Utah. It was given its name because of the lovely green and inviting appearance in the spring of the year. To this community my parents made their way a few months before my birth 21 July 1905. I was given the name of Alta Lealette, the second name being that of my oldest sister’s music teacher. I was never called Alta or Lealette by my family, but called Lea or Leah, have been known as Alta on most of my Church records. I was named or Christened by Thomas Rhodes, presiding Elder of the Spring Glen Branch of the Latter-day Saints Church, when I was 12 days old 3 August 1905.


Nov 28, 2012

When Work Is Punished: The Tragedy Of America's Welfare State

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-27/when-work-punished-tragedy-americas-welfare-state

Exactly two years ago, some of the more politically biased progressive media outlets (who are quite adept at creating and taking down their own strawmen arguments, if not quite as adept at using an abacus, let alone a calculator) took offense at our article "In Entitlement America, The Head Of A Household Of Four Making Minimum Wage Has More Disposable Income Than A Family Making $60,000 A Year." In it we merely explained what has become the painful reality in America: for increasingly more it is now more lucrative - in the form of actual disposable income - to sit, do nothing, and collect various welfare entitlements, than to work. This is graphically, and very painfully confirmed, in the below chart from Gary Alexander, Secretary of Public Welfare, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (a state best known for its broke capital Harrisburg). As quantitied, and explained by Alexander, "the single mom is better off earnings gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income & benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income and benefits of $57,045." realize that this is a painful topic in a country in which the issue of welfare benefits, and cutting (or not) the spending side of the fiscal cliff, have become the two most sensitive social topics. Alas, none of that changes the matrix of incentives for most Americans who find themselves in a comparable situation: either being on the left side of minimum US wage, and relying on benefits, or move to the right side at far greater personal investment of work, and energy, and... have the same disposable income at the end of the day.

Naturally, the topic of wealth redistribution is paramount one now that America is entering the terminal phase of its out of control spending, and whose response to hike taxes in a globalized, easily fungible world, will merely force more of the uber-wealthy to find offshore tax jurisdictions, avoid US taxation altogether, and thus result to even lower budget revenues for the US. It explains why the cluelessly incompetent but supposedly impartial Congressional Budget Office just released a key paper titled "Share of Returns Filed by Low- and Moderate-Income Workers, by Marginal Tax Rate, Under 2012 Law" which carries a chart of disposable income by net income comparable to the one above.

ut perhaps the scariest chart in the entire presentation is the following summarizing the unsustainable welfare burden on current taxpayers:

  • For every 1.65 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance
  • For every 1.25 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance or works for the government.


The punchline: 110 million privately employed workers; 88 million welfare recipients and government workers and rising rapidly.

And since nothing has changed in the past two years, and in fact the situation has gotten progressively (pardon the pun) worse, here is our conclusion on this topic from two years ago:

We have been writing for over a year, how the very top of America's social order steals from the middle class each and every day. Now we finally know that the very bottom of the entitlement food chain also makes out like a bandit compared to that idiot American who actually works and pays their taxes. One can only also hope that in addition to seeing their disposable income be eaten away by a kleptocratic entitlement state, that the disappearing middle class is also selling off its weaponry. Because if it isn't, and if it finally decides it has had enough, the outcome will not be surprising at all: it will be the same old that has occurred in virtually every revolution in the history of the world to date.

But for now, just stick head in sand, and pretend all is good. Self-deception is now the only thing left for the entire insolvent entitlement-addicted world.

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Full must read presentation: "Welfare's Failure and the Solution"


The article, "When Work Is Punished: The Tragedy of America's Welfare State," published on ZeroHedge, discusses the dichotomy between welfare benefits and employment in America. It asserts that for many Americans, it's more lucrative to stay unemployed and collect welfare entitlements than to work. The article refers to an illustrative chart from Gary Alexander, Secretary of Public Welfare, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, indicating that a single mother earning a gross income of $29,000 with welfare benefits has more disposable income than if she earned a gross income of $69,000.


Here's an outline for this argument:


a) Fundamental beliefs or principles one must reject to also reject this belief: 

- The current welfare system is fair and doesn't disincentivize work.

- All welfare recipients are in desperate need and cannot survive without assistance.


b) Alternate expressions(e.g., metatags, mottos, hashtags):

- #WelfareStateTragedy

- #WorkVsWelfare

- #WelfareIncentive


c) Objective criteria to measure the strength of this belief:

- Comparison of disposable income of working individuals and those on welfare.

- Number of people who choose not to work due to more advantageous welfare benefits.

- Studies showcasing welfare system exploitation.


d) Shared interests between those who agree/disagree:

- Both sides typically want a fair system that supports those in need without creating a disincentive to work.

- Everyone wants a thriving economy.


e) Key opposing interests between those who agree/disagree (that must be addressed for mutual understanding):

- Differing views on the role of government and welfare.

- Disagreements over the extent of welfare abuse or the incentive it creates to not work.

  

f) Solutions:

- Welfare reform that balances the need for social safety nets and incentivizing work.

- More rigorous checking mechanisms for welfare eligibility.

  

g) Strategies for encouraging commitment to a resolution to evidence-based solutions:

- Public awareness campaigns about the unintended consequences of welfare exploitation.

- Legislative advocacy for welfare reform.

- Constructive dialogue between differing viewpoints to foster understanding and compromise.


Sure, here are some supporting elements for the belief expressed in the article:


1) Logical arguments:

   - The financial incentive argument: If welfare benefits result in higher disposable income than working, there is a logical financial incentive to remain on welfare rather than seek employment.

   

2) Supporting evidence (data, studies):

   - The article refers to data from Gary Alexander, Secretary of Public Welfare, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. More research and studies would be needed for robust evidence.


3) Supporting books:

   - "Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980" by Charles Murray discusses some of the negative impacts of welfare.


4) Supporting videos (movies, YouTube, TikTok):

   - Various YouTube videos and documentaries discuss the impacts of welfare on work incentives, although specific examples would need to be sought out.


5) Supporting organizations and their Websites:

   - Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, often publishes reports and articles discussing the drawbacks of the current welfare system.

   

6) Supporting podcasts:

   - "The Daily Signal" is a podcast from the Heritage Foundation that often discusses topics related to welfare and work incentives.


7) Unbiased experts:

   - Economists, sociologists, and public policy experts could provide unbiased analysis, but specific names would depend on the research and analysis they've conducted on the topic.

   

8) Benefits of belief acceptance (ranked by Maslow categories):

   - Economic (Basic needs): Reforming welfare to encourage employment could potentially lead to improved economic outcomes for individuals and society as a whole.

   - Esteem (Psychological needs): Individuals moving from welfare to work may experience improved self-esteem and sense of accomplishment.

   - Self-Actualization (Self-fulfillment needs): People might achieve more personal and professional growth through employment as compared to long-term welfare reliance.


Nov 27, 2012

James is tall and growing fast (+0, unresolved)

Background 
Megan took James to his yearly doctors appointment. James was cute, and asked many time: "what are you doing to me". He didn't try to stop the nurse when she gave him the nasal inhaler flu shot.

James is tall and growing fast (+1, unresolved)

Best reasons to agree: +3
  1. He is in the 95.72 percentile. This means of 100 kids, 4.28 of them would be taller. 
  2. He gained 7 lbs, and 3" this year. 
  3. We could say that we are using the McDonald's systems of measurement: small, medium, and large. Using these categories we could sort of "grade on a curve" and decide 33% of people are small, 33% of people are average, and 33% of people are tall. James, at 95.72 percentile, would be in the "tall" category as long as the sample population is limited to people born in O4. 
  4. James has doubled his size in just a few years. The universe will take billions of years to double its size. Therefore, James is growing fast. 
  1. Some pumpkins can grow 40 lbs a day. All things being relative, James is not growing fast.
  2. Robert Pershing Wadlow was 8'-11". All things being relative, James is not tall. 
Best Images that agree: -1
Opposing Values between those who agree and disagree:

Interest of those who agree:

Interest of those who agree:

Score:
# of reasons to agree: +4
# of reasons to disagree: -3
# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0
Total Idea Score: +1

Explanation: 


I'm looking for items from everyday life that I can turn into conclusions, with evidence to support them. 

I hate it when people state opinion as facts, and don't have evidence to support their beliefs. And so at the risk of sounding weird, I'll give my evidence to believe the above conclusion. 

See here for an explanation of my plan. 

Nov 16, 2012






Nov 15, 2012

Feds


Nov 14, 2012

Governments are inefficient

  1. Governments are monopolistic and monopolies (lack of competition) lead to inefficiency. People are not as strongly motivated to improve when they have a monopoly.
  2. Big organizations are hard to change and change is needed in order to continually ensure organizations maximize efficiency. Very few organizations are able to stay efficient over time. Only one fortune 100 company from 1900 is still on the list.
  3. Governments tend to have inefficient policies
  4. Governments don't have to be efficient in order to get money and Organizations that don't have to be efficient will not choose to be efficient 
  5. Very few organizations are able to stay efficient over time. 
  6. Governments don't reward efficiency as well as the private sector. 
  7. Governments don't punish inefficiency as well as the private sector. Businesses that aren't efficient go out of business.

The federal government should return power to the states and the people

  1. The federal government does many things that the states can do better. 
  2. The federal government should not duplicate things the states do better. 
  3. It is wrong for one state to get free stuff, and make another state pay for it. 
  4. Money should be used as closely to the place that it was raised as possible.
  5. The federal government should mostly only do things that the individual states all agree are OK.

Nov 11, 2012

The Republican party has taken a fairly radical position on things like freedom of and from religion

Reasons to agree: +

  1. It was radical of Democrats to remove any reference to God from their platform. Radical means outside of the majority. Most Americans think it is OK to reference God periodically and are right. After World War, we had to prosecute war criminals. It is hard to prosecute people in a war, because they take an oath to do what their leaders tell them. We felt that when we pledged allegiance to our country that it was wrong to pledge absolute allegiance, and it is. We shouldn't hand our brain and soul to our government. We should promise to do what our country tells us to do, as long our our country is acting within a moral code. The most efficient way of accomplishing this is to ask each person to promise to support the country, as long as the country is doing what they think someone they want to worship is OK with that support. 
  2. You can disagree with official school prayers, but still think the Democrats went to far by removing any reference to God from their platform. 
  3. Sure, Mike Huckabee and Rich Santorum mixed religion and politics too much, but so did Reverend Wright.
# of reasons to agree: +3
# of reasons to disagree: -0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0
Total Idea Score: +3
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Images

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Websites
  1. http://www.nationalreview.com/
  2. http://townhall.com/
  3. http://www.newsmax.com/
  4. http://www.gop.com/
  5. http://www.nrcc.org/
  6. http://www.texasgop.org/
  1. http://www.democrats.org/
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Videos
Videos That agree: +

  1. Religulous by Bill Maher
  1. The South Park episode about Richard Dawkins
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Interest
Valid Interest of those who agree: + (help me put the more valid interest towards the top of the lists)
  1. An honest support of the Separation of Church and State
  2. Emotional validating their decision to not be religious. (I can reject your beliefs and still be a good person). 
  3. Group solidarity. (I am going to signal solidarity with my friends and family, who have also chosen similar paths by publicly criticizing those who have made other decisions.)
  4. The desire to disagree with tradition. The desire to say that you are smarter than people that went before. The desire to make something new. 
Valid Interest of those who disagree: - (help me put the more valid interest towards the top of the lists)
  1. Not throwing out the baby with the bath water. Our country was pretty good for a long time, why do we have to change everything all of a sudden? 
  2. If you can't afford to send your kids to elite private schools, or get them a good start on life, perhaps the best way to ensure they don't mess things up too bad is to try to raise them up in a faith that keeps them from making bad mistakes. The belief that public confessions of faith will help guide your kids, and keep them out of trouble. 
  3. Emotionally validating their decision to be religious (my decision to be religious proves that I am a good person. I am going to signal solidarity with my friends and family, who have also chosen similar paths by publicly criticizing those who have made other decisions). 
  4. The desire to stick with tradition.
  5. The desire to stick with a decision made early in life. Emotional investment. I have being saying these things so long, that I believe them, and it is too hard to change now. This is part of who I am. This is what I have told people I believe. I can't just go changing all the time. 

  1. The desire to do the math required to figure out that we are headed towards a fiscal cliff. 
  2. The desire to face our problems, or pretend they don't exist. 
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Podcast
Podcast that agree: +
  1. http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Politics/Conservative-Politics
Podcast that disagree: -
  1. http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Politics/Liberal-Politics
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Experts
Unbiased Experts who agree: +

Unbiased Experts who disagree: -

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Books
Books that agree: +

Books that  disagree: -

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Nov 10, 2012

Big governments are inefficient +3

Reasons

  1. Most government agencies have no competition and are monopolies. Monopolies and lack of competition lead to inefficiency.
  2. Governments often base this years budget on last years budget. 
  3. It is inefficient to base this years budget on last years budget. 

  1. Leave a comment so I can add a reason.
# of reasons to agree: +3
# of reasons to disagree: -0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0
Total Idea Score: +3
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Images
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Websites
  1. http://www.nationalreview.com/
  2. http://townhall.com/
  3. http://www.newsmax.com/
  4. http://www.gop.com/
  5. http://www.nrcc.org/
  6. http://www.texasgop.org/
  1. http://www.democrats.org/
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Videos

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Interest



  1. The desire to do the math required to figure out that we are headed towards a fiscal cliff. 
  2. The desire to face our problems, or pretend they don't exist. 
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Podcast
Podcast that agree: +

  1. http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Politics/Conservative-Politics

Podcast that disagree: -

  1. http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Politics/Liberal-Politics
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Experts
Unbiased Experts who agree: +

Unbiased Experts who disagree: -

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Books
Books that agree: +
  1. After America: Get Ready for Armageddon by Mark Steyn
  2. Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America by Mark R Levin
  3. Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama by Ann Coulter
Books that  disagree: -

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Miscellaneous
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The federal government should be as small as possible +10

Reasons
  1. Big governments are inefficient. +3
  2. Governments that promise the most often end up giving the least. 
  3. Forced tax collections are bad 
  4. Large governments require forced tax collection Power is bad. 
  5. Large governments are powerful 
  6. New presidents should be able to take the federal government in a new direction.
  7. If the federal government is too big and complex no one can change it, and it takes on a life of its own.
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# of reasons to agree: +7
# of reasons to disagree: -0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +3
# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0
Total Idea Score: +10
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Websites
  1. http://www.nationalreview.com/
  2. http://townhall.com/
  3. http://www.newsmax.com/
  4. http://www.gop.com/
  5. http://www.nrcc.org/
  6. http://www.texasgop.org/
  1. http://www.democrats.org/
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Videos

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Interest



  1. The desire to do the math required to figure out that we are headed towards a fiscal cliff. 
  2. The desire to face our problems, or pretend they don't exist. 
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Podcast
Podcast that agree: +

  1. http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Politics/Conservative-Politics

Podcast that disagree: -

  1. http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Politics/Liberal-Politics
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Experts
Unbiased Experts who agree: +

Unbiased Experts who disagree: -

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Books
Books that agree: +
  1. After America: Get Ready for Armageddon by Mark Steyn
  2. Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America by Mark R Levin
  3. Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama by Ann Coulter
Books that  disagree: -

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Miscellaneous
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The USA federal government is too big

Reasons

  1. The federal government should be as small as possible
  2. The federal government should return power to the states and the people

  1. Leave a comment so I can add a reason.
# of reasons to agree: +2
# of reasons to disagree: -0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0
Total Idea Score: +2
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Images
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Websites
  1. http://www.nationalreview.com/
  2. http://townhall.com/
  3. http://www.newsmax.com/
  4. http://www.gop.com/
  5. http://www.nrcc.org/
  6. http://www.texasgop.org/
  1. http://www.democrats.org/
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Videos

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  1. The desire to do the math required to figure out that we are headed towards a fiscal cliff. 
  2. The desire to face our problems, or pretend they don't exist. 
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Podcast
Podcast that agree: +

  1. http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Politics/Conservative-Politics

Podcast that disagree: -

  1. http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Politics/Liberal-Politics
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Experts
Unbiased Experts who agree: +

Unbiased Experts who disagree: -

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Books
Books that agree: +
  1. After America: Get Ready for Armageddon by Mark Steyn
  2. Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America by Mark R Levin
  3. Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama by Ann Coulter
Books that  disagree: -

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Miscellaneous
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We should cut federal government spending.

Reasons
  1. The USA federal government is too big. +10
  2. Spending is out of control.
  1. Leave a comment so I can add a reason.
# of reasons to agree: +2
# of reasons to disagree: -0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +10
# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0
Total Idea Score: +12
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Images
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Websites
  1. http://www.nationalreview.com/
  2. http://townhall.com/
  3. http://www.newsmax.com/
  4. http://www.gop.com/
  5. http://www.nrcc.org/
  6. http://www.texasgop.org/
  1. http://www.democrats.org/
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Videos

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Interest
  1. Balancing the budget
  2. Avoiding financial meltdown
  3. Avoiding leaving debt for our kids
  1. Getting free stuff
  2. Getting "mine"
  3. Getting "my fair share"

  1. The desire to do the math required to figure out that we are headed towards a fiscal cliff. 
  2. The desire to face our problems, or pretend they don't exist. 
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Podcast
Podcast that agree: +
  1. http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Politics/Conservative-Politics
Podcast that disagree: -
  1. http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Politics/Liberal-Politics
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Experts
Unbiased Experts who agree: +

Unbiased Experts who disagree: -
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Books
Books that agree: +
  1. After America: Get Ready for Armageddon by Mark Steyn
  2. Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America by Mark R Levin
  3. Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama by Ann Coulter
Books that  disagree: -

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Miscellaneous
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The USA federal government is too big. +11

Reasons
  1. The federal government should be as small as possible +10

  1. Leave a comment so I can add a reason.
# of reasons to agree: +1
# of reasons to disagree: -0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +10
# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0
Total Idea Score: +11
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Websites
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  2. http://townhall.com/
  3. http://www.newsmax.com/
  4. http://www.gop.com/
  5. http://www.nrcc.org/
  6. http://www.texasgop.org/
  1. http://www.democrats.org/
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Videos

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Interest



  1. The desire to do the math required to figure out that we are headed towards a fiscal cliff. 
  2. The desire to face our problems, or pretend they don't exist. 
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Podcast
Podcast that agree: +

  1. http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Politics/Conservative-Politics

Podcast that disagree: -

  1. http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Politics/Liberal-Politics
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Experts
Unbiased Experts who agree: +

Unbiased Experts who disagree: -

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Books
Books that agree: +
  1. After America: Get Ready for Armageddon by Mark Steyn
  2. Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America by Mark R Levin
  3. Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama by Ann Coulter
Books that  disagree: -

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Miscellaneous
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Nov 9, 2012

You should try to convince your kids to not use drugs

Best reasons to agree: +5
  1. Drugs addiction will often kill you.
  2. Drugs addiction often causes people to live on the street. 
  3. Drugs will often cause you to steel from and lie to your family.
  4. Drugs will addict you. Addiction takes control of your life. It is bad to loose control of your life.
  5. In general most parents should tell their kids not to use drugs. Obviously there is a right and a wrong way to do it. You should wait until they are the right age, but not too long. If you are struggling with your kids, and they have no respect for you, perhaps you should find someone that they respect more. 
Best reasons to disagree: -5
  1. All kids will rebel to some degree against their parents. This is a natural process of finding yourself, and creating your own separate identity. By telling your kids not to use drugs this creates a situation when they will have a physiological or emotional reason to do the opposite.  
  2. Telling kids not to use drugs only peaks their interest. 
  3. Most kids are smart enough to figure out not to use drugs themselves.
  4. The schools will teach your kids what they need to know about drugs. They have training about these subjects. 
  5. You shouldn't just "try and convince them". You should do random drug tests if you have any suspicions. You need to ensure they have good friends. You need to do specific things to ensure they are not using drugs, especially the important long term things of developing long term relationships with them... 
  6. Kids use drugs for specific reasons: to fit in, and because they have psychological problems. If you keep them from having psychological problems or needing to be accepted by stupid people, they will naturally avoid drugs. 
Score:
# of reasons to agree: +4
# of reasons to disagree: -5
# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0
# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0
Total Idea Score: -1

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  1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00w949w
                                                                                          
    Best songs that agree: +
    1. Might as well be walking on the sun by Smash Mouth

    2. The Needle and the Damage Done by Neil Young

    3. Keep on Rocking in the Free World by Neil Young
    4. Hurt By Johny Cash
                                                                                          
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    1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_dependence
    2. http://www.asam.org/
    3. http://www.dpri.com/
    4. http://www.theantidrug.com/
                                                                                          
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    1. Saving their kids from trauma. 
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    1. Being counter-intuitive. 
                                                                                          
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    Poetry can be the best way to motivate yourself

    Reasons to agree: +1
    1. People have spent time to put important life lessons into poetry, that are well said enough that they tell a story or hold a truth that is more powerful than just stating the belief as a summary, or cliffs notes version of the poetic statement. For instance to me the Palace by Rudyard Kipling tells me that when people look back on the wreck of your life, that they won't just see your permanent long lasting improvements that you made, but that they will also see what you tried to do, and that that can be good enough, perhaps. That idea is much better explained in his story / alagory / poem, printed below for your ease of use.
    2. Come Let Us Anew by Wesley should be motivating to most people
      1. Reasons to agree: +2
        1. Its nice to think that you can start again. 
        2. It may be depressing to think about how fast life is passing, but it is true, and so you need to deal with truths.
      2. Reasons to disagree: -3
        1. Its depressing to think about how fast live moves.
        2. You don't really get to start again. A year is a continuation of the previous year, and you don't start with a new situation. People often sing this at the new year, but they continue to live their old lives.
        3. Unfortunately some people have so much emotional need to validate their rejection of religion that they might not be able to apply anything from a poem that has a faithful perspective. 
    1. A well rounded person won't look for motivation just from poetry, but will try to have good health, excercize, friends, and family, and also try to have an inner life, and think deaply about things from time to time. Part of thinking about things can include seeking out and learning good poetry. But is is sort of wrong to say that poetry is the "best" way to motivate yourself. Sometimes anti-depressents, or exercize are the best way to motivate yourself. 
    Palace by Rudyard Kipling

    When I was a King and a Mason-a master proven and skilled-
    I cleared me ground for a Palace such as a King should build.
    I decreed and cut down to my levels, and presently, under the silt,
    I came on the wreck of a Palace such as a King had built.
    There was no worth in the fashion-there was no wit in the plan-
    Hither and thither, aimless, the ruined footings ran-
    Masonry, brute, mishandled; but carven on every stone: 
    "After me cometh a Builder. Tell him I, too, have known."
    Swift to my use in my trenches, where my well-planned ground-works grew, 
    I tumbled his quoins and ashlars, and cut and reset them anew. 
    Lime I milled of his marbles ; burned it, slacked it and spread; 
    Taking and leaving at pleasure the gifts of the humble dead.
    Yet I despised not nor gloried; yet as we wrenched them apart, 
    I read in the razed foundations the heart of that builder’s heart. 
    As though he had risen and pleaded, so did I understand 
    The form of the dream he had followed in the face of the thing he had planned.

    When I was King and a Mason-in the open noon of my pride,
    They sent me a Word from the Darkness-They whispered and called me aside.
    They said-"The end is forbidden." They said-"Thy use is fulfilled,
    "And thy Palace shall stand as that other’s-the spoil of a King who shall build. "
    I called my men from my trenches, my quarries, my wharves and my sheers. 
    All I had wrought I abandoned to the faith of the faithless years. 
    Only I cut on the timber-only I carved on the stone: 
    "After me cometh a Builder. Tell him I, too, have known."


    2. Come, Let Us Anew (Wesley)
    Come, let us anew our journey pursue,
    Roll round with the year,
    And never stand still till the Master appear.
    His adorable will let us gladly fulfill,
    And our talents improve,
    By the patience of hope and the labor of love,
    By the patience of hope and the labor of love.

    Our life as a dream, our time as a stream,
    Glides swiftly away,
    And the fugitive moment refuses to stay.
    The arrow is flown, the moments are gone,
    The Millennial year
    Presses on to our view, and eternity’s here,
    Presses on to our view, and eternity’s here.

    O that each in the day of His coming may say,
    “I have fought my way thro’—
    I have finished the work Thou didst give me to do.”
    O that each from his Lord may receive the glad word:
    “Well and faithfully done;
    Enter into my joy and sit down on my throne,”
    “Enter into my joy and sit down on my throne.”

    My Mom pointed out that she like this hymn. She felt her life had gone so fast, and liked the 2nd verse... the part about your life flying by like an arrow, a dream, or a river.