Rolling Stone's list of Best Albums of all time is a good one

Background, Context, and Assumptions
Of course people can judge music by whatever criteria you want. How do you judge good music (don't just say you just like it!). For instance you can judge music by these criteria:

1. How hard it is to play. For me this is not an important criteria. I guess if you play an instrument, you could enjoy a solo artist really push themselves. Craftsman ship is important. But at the end of the day, you can punch notes into a computer, and a computer could replace Eddie Van Halen's finger, but I hope it could not replace his best lyrics. Lavish craftsmanship looses most all of its appeal when not used to support an important truth.
2. How innovative it is. Creativity is a great way to decorate music, but you have to have the substance of good music, and a good melody. I have read some great criticisms of experimental a-tonal college music. 
3. Good songs can just be songs that capture a feeling really well, but in order for a song to be considered great, you would think that you would rank everything a 10... There is nothing wrong with listening to OK songs, but when listing the best songs, you should only include songs that have great lyrics with good meanings, good message, a great melody, etc...

Rolling Stone's list of Best Songs of all time is a good one
Best reasons to disagree: -

1. I would like a list of best albums that totally ignored cover art. I propose that albums should not be judged by cover art, which Rolling Stones mentions many times praising Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. 
2. I would like to see a list of the best music, that does not reward musicians for trying to be too clever. It seems like that kind of stuff comes and goes, but you can't listen to it very often, because it gets old. Lyrics should not be obscure. People are too afraid to live life, and so they hide any meaning by trying to be clever. Musicians need to learn the importance of being Ernest. 
3. Good music is music from cool people saying important things in a sincere and beautiful way. Cool people are not people who suck at life. Good music is not music written by self-obsessed losers at the middle of the night, when they can't get their life together after their girl-friend broke up with them. Its not music telling people how cool they are. It is not music from someone you don't respect saying something stupid. It is written by people you can respect, who have lived a good life and have something to say. You shouldn't be allowed to write music when your a teenager. You don't have anything to say. 
4. Music shouldn't be important because it created the hippy movement, or got girls to stop wearing bras for a few years... The music should be important if it had messages that successful people are able to believe for hundreds of years. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to disagree: -4

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +0

Rolling Stone's list of Best Songs of all time, with reasons to agree or disagree that they are "great" songs
1 Bob Dylan Like A Rolling Stone
Best reasons to disagree: -

1. This song is just some immature looser experiencing schadenfreude when a girl falls. We all know people like this. They are called jerks. It is stupid that some guy going on about how awesome it is is when someone is having a hard time is considered the best our culture has to offer. 

2 Rolling Stones Satisfaction
3 John Lennon Imagine

Best reasons to disagree: -

1. Communalism does not work 

4 Marvin Gaye What's Going On
5 Aretha Franklin Respect
6 Beach Boys Good Vibrations
7 Chuck Berry Johnny B. Goode
8 Beatles Hey Jude
9 Nirvana Smells Like Teen Spirit
10 Ray Charles What'd I Say (Live Berlin) 1962
11 Who My Generation
12 Sam Cooke A Change Is Gonna Come
13 Beatles Yesterday
14 Bob Dylan Blowin' in The Wind
15 The Clash London Calling
16 Beatles I Want To Hold Your Hand
17 Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze
18 Chuck Berry Maybellene
19 Elvis Presley Hound Dog
20 Beatles Let It Be
21 Bruce Springsteen Born To Run
22 The Ronettes Be My Baby
23 Beatles In My Life
24 The Impressions People Get Ready
25 Beach Boys God Only Knows
26 Otis Redding (Sitting On) The Dock Of The Bay
27 Derek And The Dominos Layla
28 Beatles A Day In The Life
29 Beatles Help
30 Johnny Cash I Walk The Line
31 Led Zeppelin Stairway To Heaven
32 Rolling Stones Sympathy For The Devil
33 Tina Turner River Deep, Mountain High
34 The Righteous Brothers You've Lost That Loving Feeling
35 The Doors Light My Fire
36 U2 One
37 Bob Marley No Woman No Cry
38 Rolling Stones Gimme Shelter
39 Buddy Holly That'll Be The Day
40 Martha And The Vandellas Dancing In The Streets
41 Band The Weight
42 Kinks Waterloo Sunset
43 Little Richard Tutti Frutti
44 Ray Charles Georgia On My Mind
45 Elvis Presley Heartbreak Hotel
46 David Bowie Heroes
47 Jimi Hendrix All Along The Watchtower
48 Simon And Garfunkel Bridge Over Troubled Water
49 The Eagles Hotel California
50 Smokey Robinson The Tracks Of My Tears
51 Grandmaster Flash The Message
52 Prince When Doves Cry
53 Percy Sledge When A Man Loves A Woman
54 The Kingsmen Louie Louie
55 Little Richard Long Tall Sally
56 Sex Pistols Anarchy In The U K
57 Procol Harum A Whiter Shade Of Pale
58 Michael Jackson Billie Jean
59 Bob Dylan The Times They Are A-changin'
60 Al Green Let's Stay Together
61 Jerry Lee Lewis Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On
62 Bo Diddley Bo Diddley
63 Buffalo Springfield For What It's Worth
64 Beatles She Loves You
65 Cream Sunshine Of Your Love
66 Bob Marley Redemption Song
67 Elvis Presley Jailhouse Rock
68 Bob Dylan Tangled Up In Blue
69 Roy Orbison Crying
70 Dionne Warwick Walk On By
71 James Brown Papa's Got A Brand New Bag, Pt.1
72 Beach Boys California Girls
73 Stevie Wonder Superstition
74 Cochran Eddie Summertime Blues
75 Led Zeppelin Whole Lotta Love
76 Beatles Strawberry Fields Forever
77 Elvis Presley Mystery Train
78 James Brown I Feel Good
79 The Byrds Mr. Tambourine Man
80 Kinks You Really Got Me
81 Marvin Gaye I Heard It Through The Grapevine
82 Fats Domino Blueberry Hill
83 Beatles Norwegian Wood (this Bird Has Flown)
84 The Police Every Breath You Take
85 Patsy Cline Crazy
86 Bruce Springsteen Thunder Road
87 Johnny Cash Ring Of Fire
88 Temptations My Girl
89 The Mamas & The Papas California Dreamin'
90 The Five Satins In The Still Of The Night
91 Elvis Presley Suspicious Minds
92 The Ramones Blitzkrieg Bop
93 U2 I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For
94 Little Richard Good Golly Miss Molly
95 Carl Perkins Blue Suede Shoes
96 Jerry Lee Lewis Great Balls Of Fire
97 Chuck Berry Roll Over Beethoven
98 Al Green Love And Happiness
99 Creedence Clearwater Revival Fortunate Son
100 Gnarls Barkley Crazy


Rolling Stone's list of Best Albums of all time is a good one

Find reasons to agree or disagree that the albums below deserve their spot.

1 Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band The Beatles 1967
Best reasons to disagree: -

1. The first song on the album "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" has no meaning. It is nonsense  We are a stupid species if we are still playing it, outside of a history lesson, for personal enjoyment, 200 years from now. The words could be in a language that you don't understand, and the song would be better for you because they wouldn't distract you. Lyrics should make you think. It might be fine for them to set up the album with an alternative band, so they could do whatever they wanted, but they didn't have to subject us to it, and we shouldn't keep playing it, as if it is still important or insightful. You shouldn't be nostalgic over stupid things. If this song means anything to you, you are stupid. 

2 Pet Sounds Beach Boys 1966
3 Revolver The Beatles 1966
4 Highway 61 Revisited Bob Dylan 1965
5 Rubber Soul The Beatles 1965
6 What's Going On Marvin Gaye 1971
7 Exile On Main St. Rolling Stones 1972
8 London Calling The Clash 1979
9 Blonde On Blonde Bob Dylan 1966
10 The Beatles (The White Album) The Beatles 1968
 
11 The Sun Sessions Elvis Presley 1976
12 Kind Of Blue Miles Davis 1959
13 Velvet Underground & Nico Velvet Underground 1967
14 Abbey Road The Beatles 1969
15 Are You Experienced? Jimi Hendrix Experience 1967
16 Blood On The Tracks Bob Dylan 1975
17 Nevermind Nirvana 1991
18 Born To Run Bruce Springsteen 1975
19 Astral Weeks Van Morrison 1968
20 Thriller Michael Jackson 1982
 
21 The Great Twenty-Eight Chuck Berry 1982
22 Plastic Ono Band John Lennon 1970
23 Innervisions Stevie Wonder 1973
24 Live At The Apollo James Brown 1963
25 Rumours Fleetwood Mac 1977
26 The Joshua Tree U2 1987
27 King Of The Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1 Robert Johnson 1961
28 Who's Next The Who 1971
29 Led Zeppelin I Led Zeppelin 1969
30 Blue Joni Mitchell 1971
 
31 Bringing It All Back Home Bob Dylan 1965
32 Let It Bleed Rolling Stones 1969
33 Ramones Ramones 1976
34 Music From Big Pink The Band 1968
35 The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars David Bowie 1972
36 Tapestry Carole King 1971
37 Hotel California The Eagles 1976
38 The Anthology, 1947 - 1972 Muddy Waters 2001
39 Please Please Me The Beatles 1963
40 Forever Changes Love 1968
 
41 Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols Sex Pistols 1977
42 The Doors The Doors 1967
43 Dark Side Of The Moon Pink Floyd 1973
44 Horses Patti Smith 1975
45 The Band The Band 1969
46 Legend Bob Marley & The Wailers 1984
47 A Love Supreme John Coltrane 1964
48 It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back Public Enemy 1988
49 At Fillmore East Allman Brothers Band 1971
50 Here's Little Richard Little Richard 1957
 
51 Bridge Over Troubled Water Simon & Garfunkel 1970
52 Greatest Hits Al Green 1975
53 The Birth of Soul: The Complete Atlantic Rhythm and Blues Recordings, 1952 - 1959 Ray Charles 1991
54 Electric Ladyland Jimi Hendrix Experience 1968
55 Elvis Presley Elvis Presley 1956
56 Songs In The Key Of Life Stevie Wonder 1976
57 Beggars Banquet Rolling Stones 1968
58 Trout Mask Replica Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band 1969
59 Meet The Beatles! The Beatles 1964
60 Greatest Hits Sly & The Family Stone 1970
 
61 Appetite For Destruction Guns N' Roses 1987
62 Achtung Baby U2 1991
63 Sticky Fingers Rolling Stones 1971
64 Phil Spector, Back to Mono (1958 - 1969) various artists 1991
65 Moondance Van Morrison 1970
66 Led Zeppelin IV Led Zeppelin 1971
67 The Stranger Billy Joel 1977
68 Off The Wall Michael Jackson 1979
69 Superfly Curtis Mayfield 1972
70 Physical Graffiti Led Zeppelin 1975
 
71 After The Gold Rush Neil Young 1970
72 Purple Rain Prince 1984
73 Back In Black AC/DC 1980
74 Otis Blue: Otis Redding Singles Soul Otis Redding 1965
75 Led Zeppelin II Led Zeppelin 1969
76 Imagine John Lennon 1971
77 The Clash The Clash 1977
78 Harvest Neil Young 1972
79 Star Time James Brown 1991
80 Odessey & Oracle The Zombies 1968
 
81 Graceland Paul Simon 1986
82 Axis: Bold As Love Jimi Hendrix Experience 1968
83 I Never Loved A Man The Way I Love You Aretha Franklin 1967
84 Lady Soul Aretha Franklin 1968
85 Born In The U.S.A. Bruce Springsteen 1984
86 Let It Be The Beatles 1970
87 The Wall Pink Floyd 1979
88 Johnny Cash At Folsom Prison Johnny Cash 1968
89 Dusty In Memphis Dusty Springfield 1968
90 Talking Book Stevie Wonder 1972
 
91 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road Elton John 1973
92 20 Golden Greats Buddy Holly 1978
93 Sign O' The Times Prince 1987
94 Bitches Brew Miles Davis 1970
95 Green River Creedence Clearwater Revival 1969
96 Tommy The Who 1969
97 The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan Bob Dylan 1963
98 This Year's Model Elvis Costello 1978
99 There's A Riot Goin' On Sly & The Family Stone 1972
100 In The Wee Small Hours Frank Sinatra 1954

We can create a better list of really great songs than Rolling Stone Magazine
(Songs that aren't afraid of having meaning)
Best reasons to agree: -

1. Time by Pink Floyd is better than any of the top 10 songs on the Rolling Stone List. Your life would not be missing anything important if you never listened to "Like a Rolling Stone" by Bob Dillion. But I would feel a little bad for you if you have never really listened to Time by Pink floyed.
   Time has an important message that you should not let your life slip by. It doesn't really tell you what to do, but it much better than the other songs.
2. Cats in the Cradle by Harry Chapin has a great message. It tells you that you get out of a relationship what you put into it, and that you should sieze the day. These are important messsenges, and they are done well in the song.
3. Forever Young is a good song, because it expresses a real emotion, that is productive to explore. Thinking about mortality is benificial unlike the way that Bob Dillion is just expressing his joy at someone who used to be Rich, getting their come-up-ins in his song "Like A Rolling Stone", that Rolling Stone was the highest achiviment of Western Music.
4. Hallelujah by Rufus Wainwright summerizes a lot of history and relationships in an insightful way.
5. Just The Two Of Us by Will Smith allows people who are overly concerned with looking manley, see themselves as good dads.
6. You can disagree with Charlene but "I've Never Been To Me" makes her argument about what is important in life very well.
7. "Kiss An Angel Good Morning" by Charley Pride gives practical marriage advice. One by Creed is sort of Cheesy, but it is a great call for unity.
8. What A Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong has a great message of appreciation. Armstrongs voice is great.

You should keep track of your favorite songs

Bad Poetry

Hot Lips Grandma
White paint peels from the door,
rusty hinges let loose a loud creek.
A small gray mouse scurries across the floor,
as cockroaches wander around the house.

I dread the encounter,
puckering, grandma opens her arms.
Her musty smell fills my nostrils,
there is no escape...
grandma's livery lips strike again.

Chat gpt's version

"Peeling White Door"

Beneath the chipping white paint of the door,

Rusted hinges groan, echoing through the hall.

A nimble gray mouse darts across the creaking floor,

While shadows of cockroaches dance on the wall.

With trepidation, I step into the embrace,

As Grandma opens her arms, her eyes aglow.

A scent of old books and lavender fills the space,

Inescapable, yet strangely comforting though.

Her lips, a vivid red, draw near with a tale,

Of years gone by and love that never fails.

In this moment, Grandma's affection prevails,

A kiss from the past, where warmth never pales.


Unnamed
I don't want to die,
let alone grow old.
So mind don't show me,
body grow cold.

I cannot face
the fate of man

I am still waiting for life to bagan
I am still waiting for a friend who is true
I am still waiting for a little respect
I am still waiting for life to make sense...

And the ultra-sound
shows a new little life
My current concerns will now take a past tense.

Chat gpt's version

"Unspoken Fears"

Fearing the final breath, the end of days,

Resisting the march of time, its unyielding hold.

Wishing my mind to veil the inevitable ways,

As my body surrenders, grows weary and cold.

Confronting destiny, mankind's shared plight,

Seems more than my heart can stand.

Yet here I linger, in life's uncertain light,

Awaiting a genuine friend to take my hand.

Longing for just a whisper of esteem,

Hoping for clarity in life's chaotic dream.

Then, in the hush of a moment, pure and serene,

An ultrasound reveals a new life, unseen.

With this promise, my present fears lose their sheen,

As the future unfolds, a journey unforeseen.

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The Google chrome book is a good buy +5

Reasons to agree: +7

1. It is light
2. It starts instantly
3. It has a good keyboard
4. Most all hotels have free wi-fi
5. There is now annoying fan with moving parts that makes noise and breaks.
6. There is now annoying hard drive with moving parts that makes noise and breaks.
7. Google has apps to edit documents including spreadsheets, and presentations

Reasons to disagree: -2

1. It takes getting used to use apps, and keeping your files on Google Drive
2. It takes getting used to, to use only the backspace, and never use the delete button.

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +7

# of reasons to disagree: -2

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +5

Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change.

Kids are fun +1

Best reasons to agree: +4

1. Kids remind you what it was like when you were a kid.
2. Kids connect you to the future.
3. Kids get to know what you are really like
4. Kids give you excuses to do stupid stuff. If you didn't have kids, it might be hard to:
1. go sledding. 
2. go swimming. Its hard to play Marco Polo as an adult.

Best reasons to disagree: -4

1.  Throw up, crying, and whining are not fun
2. When you go to the museums with kids, you can't take your time, because they have short attention spans. 
3. It is hard to go back-packing in Europe with kids.
4. It is hard to try new food with kids. All they eat is McDonald's. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +4

# of reasons to disagree: -4

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +2

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +4-4+2/2=1

Videos that agree:

Beliefs that support this post:

1. You should back-up family videos to YouTube. 

Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way

Reasons to agree

1. All happy families have respect and kindness to each other. 
2. Unhappy families can 

Reasons to 

Bolingbrook has pretty good parks. -2

Reasons to agree: + 1

1. There are a lot of Bolingbrook parks.
2. Kids don't need anything special, but each neighborhood should have open places for kids to play soccer, baseball, or swing on a swing-set. Bolingbrook has that.

Reasons to disagree: -2

1. Often Bolingbrook parks are occupied by thuggish territorial teenagers (reason to disagree: this happens everywhere, perhaps).
2. Often Bolingbrook parks have small vandalization. 
3. Bolingbrook doesn't have parking for hardly any of their parks... its mostly just street parking.
4. Very few of Bolingbrook parks are connected with bike paths

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +2

# of reasons to disagree: -4

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: -2

Century Park Bolingbrook, Illinois
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• Parking: On the street
• Safety:
• Parking is an issue, as it gets very congested, and cars are trying to get through the area.
• Facilities
• Slides
• Swings
• Small Soccer Field

The kids playing at the park, while J was at Soccer Practice.
Serious
Great Expression. Poor lighting

Videos that agree:

Hidden Lakes

Hidden Lakes

Popular Park, Bolingbrook, IL

• Parking: On the street
• Safety?
• My kid got his finger stuck in the slidey thing. 
• Facilities
• 2 slides
• 2 Swings, 2 child swings
• Voice tubes
• Volleyball court (bring your own net)
• Lots of toads / frogs in the evening

Jonamac apple farm is the perfict farm-tourism destination outside Chicago +4.5

Background, Context, and Assumptions

Jonamac apple farm is a farm-tourism destination outside Chicago. It is located at 19412 Shabbona Rd Malta, IL 60150. Their phone number is (815) 825-2158.

Best reasons to agree: +3

1. Its good for kids to see farms. Kids should learn the science of producing food. It is good for all of us to try to produce food.
2. Joanamac is is a good farm. 
1. They have a: 
1. petting zoo with mules, sheep, chickens, and a Lama
2. apple picking, with a lot of different apple types
3. pumpkin canon, 
4. a big thing like a trampoline. 
5. old-timy-machines
6. slides
7. Kids like to play in the corn silo. 
8. they have an easy corn maze that kids can handle. They have a harder corn maze for adults.
9. they have a place where you can buy food
10. they have live music playing
11. they often have farm equipment on display
3. Joanamac is close to Chicago. It is 70 miles from Downtown Chicago, and less than that from the suburbs
1. Link

Best reasons to disagree: -

1. Jonamac should copy some of the educational stuff from the Lincoln Park Zoo farm display. Jonamac could team up with Illinois Universities to do farm-research or education. They could have signs for stuff. For instance they could say how much corn was a barrel (or bushel?) that day. They could tell you that the corn you let your kids play in won't be wasted because it will be fed to animals, or it was wasted. 
2. Jonamac could have a place for kite flying. Chicago is almost always windy. They have a lot of open space, and there is usually a crowd. Seems like a good place for kite flying.
3. Jonamac could be closer to the City. You pass an awful lot of farms on the way to Jonamac. You would think that any of these places could copy them, but get more traffic.
4. Jonamac could team up with Amish type country knick-knack stuff, to give the whole farm experience. 
5. They could have a real farmer's market at Jonamac. In the fall it gets enough traffic that they could probably sell more stuff than just apples, and fudge. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +3

# of reasons to disagree: -5

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +11/2 = 6.5

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +4.5

Best webpages that agree: +

1. http://www.jonamacorchard.com/   Bias grade: poor

Best webpages that agree: -

Trampolines are not too dangerous and are good for kids +2

Reasons to agree: +7

1. Their is little risk of falling off a trampoline if you have netting.
2. Trampolines are no more dangerous than football.
3. Trampolines are perhaps no more dangerous than swimming pools, but they are much less expensive, and take less maintenance. 
4. Trampolines with netting on the side are not too dangerous. 
5. Kids jump on beds. You can't stop kids from jumping on stuff.
6. Cars are dangerous, and we aren't going to stop driving cars are we? Obviously its not that simple. For instance, cars are more important than trampolines. But it is not required that you drive to unimportant places. Therefore, you can compare the danger and importance of driving to a park to jumping on the trampoline: both are recreational activities with some risk. The question is how much risk? How important is the activity? Obviously, a trampoline derives its importance as a form of recreation, and so you can't answer the question without first asking yourself how important recreation is. Recreation is important, because life needs to be enjoyable or else at some point suicide, depression, and associated dangers becomes a risk. Life without exercise is also a risk. To some degree, with our obesity problems, video games, cable, and TV may be more dangerous than trampolines. Some historic background might also be useful. For instance how would the danger of jumping on a trampoline compare to the danger associated with recreation "in the olden days" (like going to the local swimming hole).  
7. Although cars are more dangerous, but we aren't going to stop driving. 

Reasons to disagree: -5

1. The Mayo Clinic says they are too dangerous (logical fallacy: appeal to authority). 
2. Falling off a trampoline or using a trampoline incorrectly can result in strains, sprains, fractures and other injuries — including potentially serious head and neck injuries.
3. According to Jay L. Hoecker, MD, as writing on the May Clinic's website, "the risk of injury is so high that the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) says that trampolines should never be used at home or in outdoor playgrounds". However the link to this claim on the AAP's website is not provided, and there is no direct quote, indicating that it is a summary. Summaries always result in some degree of misrepresentation.  
4. My brother broke his fiance's leg on a trampoline (but it didn't have a net, and anecdotal evidence does not prove specific probabilities
5. My brother broke my other brother's leg on the trampoline (but it didn't have a net, and anecdotal evidence does not prove specific probabilities. For instance my brother also broke his arm riding a bike, and few people think bikes are too dangerous). 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +7

# of reasons to disagree: -5

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +2

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1. Me on a trampoline on Jessie Lane, Nampa Id. What an awesome back yard...
4.  
1. On Trampoline on Southpowerline, before prom. I was able to do backflips without ever hurting my kneck. 
5.  

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Videos that agree:

Videos that disagree:

Webpages that agree:

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Webpages that disagree:

1. Mayo Clinic

I would like to make this page using XML and an XLST... If you could help me with the code I would appreciate it!. 

Visual Root

http://www.visualroot.com/

Is a cool website...

I think it is very important that we map out how one idea is related to another...

It is very important that when we strengthen or weaken an assumption, that it automatically strengthen or weaken conclusions based on those assumptions...

I am trying to get an open source project going here:

http://code.google.com/p/ideastockexchange/

that outlines the reasons to agree or disagree with each conclusion, and lets you use one conclusion as a reason to agree or disagree with another conclusion... 

Obviously a conclusion could be a good one, but still not support another conclusion... for instance "the grass is green" is a good conclusion but could not be used very well as a belief to "increase funding for the poor". So I would like to count the number of reasons to agree or disagree with each belief, and then count the number of reasons to agree or disagree with each linkage... 

I like counting reasons better than just up or down voting, because is forces you to back up your conclusion... and if you give a bad reason, it should have more reasons to disagree with it...

So my goal is to have the ratio of reasons to agree or disagree for each belief, and linkage... Also, if you are going to give scores to conclusions based on the ratio of reasons to agree vs disagree for their arguments and the ratio of reasons to agree or disagree for linkages between an argument and a conclusion, you would need one more factor... you would need a "unique" factor, so you could identify arguments that are essential saying the same thing, so you don't count those points twice...

It sounds complex, but it only has 3 numbers for each belief: ratio of reasons to agree vs disagree, ratio of reasons to agree or disagree this belief is a valid reason to support another belief... and the ratio of reasons to agree or disagree that this belief is a unique reasons (on the forum) to support another conclusion... If you multiply all these ratios, you should get a pretty good score for each belief, that can then be used to support other belief... As more people join the forum the numbers will change, but the numbers are not the important thing, the structure that we build that links one belief to another, and how these all interact, is what will allow artificial intelligence to understand how the human mind works...

We should give more points to conclusions that have higher perceived ethicality of their methods and results

Integrating ethical considerations into the evaluation of conclusions can significantly enhance the validity and acceptability of those conclusions. By allowing individuals to score the ethicality of various methods and results, we can create a framework where ethical considerations are systematically factored into the final assessment of each conclusion. This approach encourages consistency in reasoning and helps identify any logical fallacies or biases in judgment.

Using computational tools in this process enables a more objective and quantifiable assessment of ethicality. By assigning scores to philosophical questions or ethical considerations, a computer algorithm can process these inputs to determine the overall validity of conclusions based on both logical and ethical grounds. This methodological rigor ensures that ethicality is not merely a subjective or secondary consideration but a central criterion in the evaluation process.

This approach aligns with the broader objective of making decision-making more transparent, consistent, and ethically grounded. It reinforces that ethical considerations are not just abstract or philosophical concerns but integral to the practical assessment of ideas and policies.

Labels: Ethical Evaluation in Decision-Making, Consistency in Ethical Reasoning, Computational Ethics Assessment, Integration of Ethicality in Conclusions, Objective Ethical Scoring, Logical and Ethical Conclusion Assessment, Ethical Consensus in Argumentation, Ethical Considerations in Computational Analysis.

This equation could be more formally represented with the following equation and definitions for people who are good at math.

User Scores

PES=(EMA×10∑(EM) ×C1​)+(EEA×10∑(EA)​)

Means Definitions

• Perceived Ethics Score (PES): This score could be added directly to the conclusion score or used as a multiplier. The PES reflects the ethical assessment of a proposal's methods and results.
• Ethical Means (EM): This is the score, ranging from 1 to 10, assigned by an individual to assess how ethical the means or methods of a proposal are.
• Ethical Means Asked (EMA): This represents the count of individuals who have rated the ethicality of a proposal's means or methods.
• Normalization Factor (e.g., 10):  Used to normalize scores to a scale of 0 to 1, where, for example, an average score of 8 translates to 0.8 or 80% validity. This aids in making the evaluation process more intuitive.
• Constant 1 (C1): A score to alter the equation based on the performance of arguments that the Means are more important than the ends. 

Ends Definitions

• Ethical Ends (EE): The individual ethicality score assigned to the ends or results of a proposal on a scale of 1 to 10.
• Ethical Ends Asked (EEA):  The number of respondents rated the ethicality of a proposal's ends or results.

User Justification

Of course, the primary method of ranking ethics is with the ReasonRank algorithm (a modified version of Google's PageRank Algorithm that counts reasons instead of links but gives reason scores based on their supporting and opposing sub-arguments).

To do this, we will simply sum the scores of arguments that agree that a belief or action is ethical and subtract the scores of arguments that are not ethical. Of course, we must group similar ways of saying the same thing to prevent double-counting arguments said slightly differently. And, like everything else promoted by the Idea Stock Exchange, we must use linkage scores between the argument and the ethic (in this case) to measure the degree to which it should be said that if the argument were true, it would necessarily strengthen the ethic, or in other words, a percentage score to multiply to the argument, indicating the degree to which it is accurately linked to strengthen or weaken the ethic. This way, the same argument can have different linkage scores to beliefs and ethics. This way, if we weaken the argument or evidence, it can automatically weaken all the conclusions built on that evidence or argument.

Implementing ReasonRank for Ethical Evaluations

The Idea Stock Exchange advocates for using the ReasonRank algorithm to evaluate the ethicality of beliefs and actions. This approach, inspired by Google's PageRank Algorithm, prioritizes the quality and relevance of arguments in determining ethical scores. The process involves:

1. Summation of Argument Scores:

   • Calculate the ethicality score by summing the scores of arguments that support the ethical nature of a belief or action and subtracting the scores of arguments against its ethicality.

2. Grouping Similar Arguments:

   • To avoid redundancy and ensure accuracy, group arguments that express similar ideas, preventing the double counting of slightly varied arguments.

3. Using Linkage Scores:

   • Apply linkage scores between arguments and the ethical aspect in question. These scores quantify how strongly an argument, if true, would support or challenge the ethical nature of the belief or action.

4. Differentiating Linkage Scores:

   • Recognize that the same argument can have varying linkage scores when related to different beliefs or ethical considerations. This distinction allows for a nuanced understanding of how arguments contribute to different aspects of an issue.

5. Dynamic Adjustment of Scores:

   • Ensure that any changes in the strength or validity of an argument or piece of evidence lead to automatic adjustments in all conclusions or ethical evaluations that rely on them.

This structured approach enables a more systematic and transparent assessment of ethics, aligning closely with the Idea Stock Exchange's goal of fostering well-founded and logical discourse. By carefully evaluating arguments and their relevance to ethical considerations, this method ensures that ethical evaluations are grounded in rational analysis and robust evidence.

 

The process of evaluating ethical considerations in proposals, particularly those involving explicit actions, can benefit from a more nuanced approach. Let's refine the existing system to better handle the complexities of ethical arguments related to both methods and results. We will focus on integrating the concept of 'Linkage Score' and the use of 'n' to signify the distance of sub-arguments from the primary conclusion:

1. Definition of Variables:

   • n: Represents the number of 'steps' or levels removed a sub-argument is from the primary conclusion.
   • AAEM(n,i)/n: Arguments that Agree with the proposal's Ethical Methods. 'i' denotes individual reasons to agree. For instance, AAEM(1,1) to AAEM(1,5) represent five distinct reasons at the first level. The division by 'n' scales the contribution of these reasons according to their distance from the main conclusion.
   • ADEM(n,j)/n: Arguments that Disagree with the proposal's Ethical Methods. 'j' is similar to 'i' but for reasons to disagree. The effect of these reasons is subtracted from the total score, and the division by 'n' again scales their impact.

2. Normalization and Scoring:

   • The total score is normalized by the sum of reasons to agree and disagree, ensuring the Conclusion Score (CS) reflects a percentage of agreement. The CS can range between -100% and +100% (or -1 and +1).

3. Application Example:

   • Consider a policy proposal like Barack Obama's suggestion to raise taxes for families earning over $250,000. This proposal not only has explicit actions but also implicit results, each subject to ethical scrutiny. Ethical debates might encompass broader questions about national income tax ethics, progressive tax systems, or specifics like cost-of-living adjustments and family size considerations.

4. Ethical Argument Tagging:

   • To add depth to our analysis, we categorize arguments as specifically addressing either the ethics of methods or results. This tagging helps in systematically organizing and weighing arguments based on their ethical implications.

5. Complexity Acknowledgement:

   • This refined approach recognizes the inherent complexity in policy proposals, especially those with unstated results. It enables a comprehensive ethical evaluation, accounting for the multi-faceted