Our Platform for Outlining Colorado’s Future

Reasons to agree The church has to vote to have things included as doctrine. ie the 1979 addition to the D&C about the black and the preisthood. Reasons to disagree   The brothern tell us how things are, and we either have to do it or leave.  When I hear the words "by common consent" I think of everyone voting. Nothing like this has ever happened in the Church.  One or two "votes" in a period of 150 years of history of the Church History doesn't qualify for "ALL things being done by common consent". The Church really could do all things by common consent, now that we have the internet. Should we have built the new mall in salt lake? Should women get the priesthood? Should Bishops have to have a degree in theology? Should we have gay marriage? Does anyone know if the website "by common consent" actually advocates restructuring the way decisions are made, or do they just want individuals to pay more attention to the wise decisions of our s...

Reasons to agree The raising of the right hand, as done in the LDS church, does not result in a church being led by common consent.  Reasons to disagree  It would be impractical to allow everyone to vote. It is better to just have common consent among the 12 We have common consent, when everyone raises their right hand Scriptures that agree Scriptures that disagree   Interest of those who agree Interest of those who disagree   Common Interest Opposing Interest Score : # of reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree: -0 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0 Total Idea Score: 0 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change

Reasons to agree There are smart people inside and outside of every church.  Doubting and questioning is a factor of integrity, or the ability to tell yourself that you won't push down and ignore doubt.  Reasons to disagree  Some stories are not logical. It takes some  intelligence  to see error in logic.  Stupid people are more easily led.  Scriptures that agree Scriptures that disagree   Interest of those who agree Wanting to think they are smart even though they believe.  Interest of those who disagree Wanting to think they are smart because they doubt.  Common Interest Opposing Interest Score : # of reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree: -0 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0 Total Idea Score: 0 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change

Reasons to agree Reasons to disagree  There are a lot of OK ways to be a good Mormon, but Christ was the only good example.  Scriptures that agree Scriptures that disagree   Interest of those who agree Interest of those who disagree   Common Interest Opposing Interest Score : # of reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree: -0 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0 Total Idea Score: 0 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change

Reasons to agree Churches should not tell a sanitized version of their history.  The ends do not Justify the means. If the Church is  beautiful , people should be able to recognize its  beauty  without liposuction, implants, or masks. If the Church has warts, it should accept them, like Cindy Crawford did.  Beuty is in the eye of the behold. Churches shouldn't try to change their past, they should just be honest about it and move forward.  Reasons to disagree All complete stories are too long. Everyone has to pick and chose which stories to tell, and people with faith are going to pick the faith promoting aspects of history. Mormons know that Anti Mormons are going to tell all the negative aspects. If anyone is going to tell the positive story, the only people to do it is the Mormons. Mormons believe that not being a Member leads to more sin and suffering in the world, and so they justify themselves, which makes sense from that perspective.  It is OK f...

Reasons to agree The Ninth Commandment - Thou Shalt Not Lie "Only error needs to fear freedom of expression" Hugh B. Brown "Now I have mentioned freedom to express your thoughts, but I caution you that your thoughts and expressions must meet competition in the market place of thought, and in that competition truth will emerge triumphant. Only error needs to fear freedom of expression. Seek truth in all fields, and in that search you will need at least three virtues; courage, zest, and modesty. The ancients put that thought in the form of a prayer. They said, 'From the cowardice that shrinks from new truth, from the laziness that is content with half truth, from the arrogance that thinks it has all truth—O God of truth deliver us'." ~ Hugh B. Brown 1. Oh say, what is truth? ’Tis the fairest gem That the riches of worlds can produce, And priceless the value of truth will be when The proud monarch’s costliest diadem Is counted but dross and refuse. 2. Yes, say,...

Reasons to agree 7 Thus came the  a voice  of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died  b without  a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be  c heirs  of the celestial kingdom of God; 8 Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who a would  have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom; 9 For I, the Lord, will  a judge  all men according to their  b works , according to the  c desire  of their hearts. 10 And I also beheld that all  a children  who die before they arrive at the  b years  of accountability are  c saved  in the celestial kingdom of heaven. Reasons to disagree The LDS Church sort of believes this, but they also tell people they will be held accountable if they choose to be ignorant.   Scriptures that agree Scriptures that disagree   Interest of those who agree Interest o...

Reasons to agree My mission president told me that Joseph Smith had never  consummated  any of his relationships outside of his marriage to Emma... this turns out to not be true. Very few members have herd that their are multiple conflicting accounts of the first vision.  A recent pope apologized for the Catholic church's complacency during the Holocaust.  Reasons to disagree  The Catholic church is not fully transparent about its  complacency  during the  holocaust .  Many Catholic churches have tried to cover up priest that have molested children.  Most southern churches are not honest about their previous support of slavery.  Gordon B. Hinckley dedicated a monument at the location of the mountain meadow  massacre .  Score : # of reasons to agree: 3 # of reasons to disagree: -4 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0 Total Idea Score: ...

Reasons to agree It is  hypocritical  for churches to lie about their past It is  hypocritical  for churches to cover up their past.  You interfere with someone's agency when you convince them to "choose" something based on incomplete or inaccurate information. A church should not feel good about converting people, if they don't tell them the Truth about their church.  According to LDS doctrine, an uninformed choice is not a valid exercise of agency for which someone is held accountable (and conversely, for which they can be rewarded) .  Score : # of reasons to agree: 5 # of reasons to disagree: -0 # of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0 # of reasons to disagree with reasons to agree: 0 Total Idea Score: 3 Don't like the score? It is easy to change the score. Just post a reason to agree or disagree with the overall idea, or any of the reasons and the score will change