Denver's weather is *better than Chicago's +3

Background, Context, and Assumptions

*Better will be different to different people. You can see my assumptions below. Obviously, employment opportunities, cultural events, and other opportunities are better in Chicago. But if your just a kids and don't care about anything in the summer time, but having nice weather to ride your bike around in, consider the discussion points below.

I got my info from here: http://www.bestplaces.net/climate/ or http://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/denver_co/chicago_il/climate

Best reasons to agree: +5

1. The comfort index (with higher numbers being better) is 68 in Boise, 57 in Denver, but only 47 in Chicago. 
1. I attribute that to how windy it is in the winter, and how the humidity will really get you in the summer, which everyone knows, but also gets you (I assert) in the winter. Places that get lots of rain are nice to look at in the summer, with all the green plants, but they aren't as comfortable outside if your kids just want to be outside doing stuff... 
2. Chicago has 189 sunny days, Boise Idaho has 206, only 17 more than Chicago. 
1. While Denver has 246. The average in the USA is 205, but 17 days a year is 1/2 a month each year of sunny weather... 
3. Boise only has 11.7" of rain, but Chicago has 35.9" of rain, or 3.1 tunes the amount of rain of Boise. 
1. Of course if you are a farmer you might like the rain. However, if you have a back yard and are a kid, usually rain is not so great. Especially if your parents don't have a concrete floor that can be hosed off periodically. Denver gets 12.6".
4. Chicago gets 27.5". Boise gets about 70% as much with 19.5". Denver gets 54".
1.   will say less is better. Especially because Boise is in the foothills and is much closer to world class skiing, snow mobiling, and anything that might make snow good. Boise does get enough to let you go sledding once a year, and gets many feet of snow in the mountains. 
5. The Average high in July in Chicago is 83 and 90 in Boise. 86 in Denver. But it is a dry heat, and because of the high elevation it gets much cooler at night time, which makes sleeping comfortable. Megan hates (I think) summers in Chicago. Average January low is 22 in Boise and 18 in Chicago. So I guess Boise is 7 degrees hotter in summer and 4 degrees hotter in winter. Denver actually has a higher temperature in the Winter than Chicago, which surprises my friends from Chicago. 
6. The springs are so rainy and short that you can't really enjoy them... It seems that you go strait from bitter cold to unbearable heat... The spring time is very painful, because you are dying to get outside after a long winter, but it is soo freakin rainy... No I'm not just talking about a little Seattle drizzle... it is a freakin torrential downpour. Rivers over-run their bounds, peoples basements get flooded... that just doesn't happen in Boise... Maybe it is because Lucky Peak dam stops the river from flooding. Maybe people in Boise are just smarter, and don't build their homes in flood planes, but every spring you hear about homes around the Chicago area getting flooded, so that the 1st level is almost completely under water. Maybe I just didn't pay attention when I was a kid, but I don't think that hardly ever happens in Idaho. Flash floods can kill campers who are near creeks... at least in the scouts that was a fear, but the girl who cleans my teeth's parents and aunt had their house totally covered with water with the stop sign out in-front of their street totally submerged... 

Best reasons to disagree: -

1. Sure, if you live somewhere that gets lots of rain, you might get flooding. However, if you live in the West, your whole state might burn down each summer. So pick your poison: too much or not enough rain.
2. Denver get more snow than Chicago, which can be bad for traffic, but is good for skiing and sledding and stuff. 
3. Because Chicago gets more rain, you see less places that are just left to go to weeds in Chicago. Everything is green, and generally people mow their grass in Chicago. In Denver, people don't water that grass, it dies, goes to weeds, and sometimes looks crappier than Chicago. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +6

# of reasons to disagree: -3

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +3

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Images that agree:

Our back yard turns to a pond every summer.


Bolingbrook is a bit like Venice Italy


Its kind of hard to see, but through the aches you can see the bleacher that are mostly covered.

Best Videos that agree: +1

Dan Price is a good artistic role model +1

Reasons to agree:

1. Cameras can re-create images perfectly. Photo-realism can be achieved with very little money. 
2. Its cool how Dan writes stuff with images. 

Reasons to disagree:

1. Dan Price draws things he sees. Everyone's life is important. It is important to value your life, and to really look at the stuff around you. Sketching it force you to really see it, but sometimes art should do more... you can say important, powerful things visually... You can create something that makes people think, and act differently. Dan does this, but maybe it is more important to focus on doing a few really awesome paintings, or creations, instead of a exploring a whole bunch of new places... Its not like their is a right or a wrong... Every artist should do what their attention to detail, and boredom push them to do, but you shouldn't do all your art like Dan's. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: 2

# of reasons to disagree: -1

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: 1 

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The percent that agree is: 92%

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The Chicago Botanic Garden is a good place to take your kids +2

Best reasons to agree: +4

1.  You can take pictures of your kids in a pretty places. For the cost of going to a professional studio, your kids can walk around and you can take pictures of them.
2. You can people watch at the gardens, which you can't do in the wilderness. 
3. You can get gardening ideas, and find plants you want in your yard at the botanic garden.
4. They have paths, which is good if you have kids in strollers. 

Best reasons to disagree: -2

1. You can walk around and look at nature for free.
2. You don't have to be around people if you just go out into nature. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +4

# of reasons to disagree: -2

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +2

Videos that agree:

Going to the zoo is worth your families time and money +0

Reasons to Agree: +3

1. It is worth it to have animals be part of your life
2. You should take your kids outside where they can walk around, see different people, and explore their surroundings. Kids get to see all different types of people at the zoo.
3. You should teach your kids about Animals. Kids learn about Animals by going to the zoo. You can't learn to appreciate animals unless you see them. When kids learn about animals, they learn about biology which may result in medical interest. Medical interest can result in an interest in many different jobs, from pharmacy to being a doctor. Learning about animals also teaches about geography. At least it did for our kid, as he learned what animals lived where. 

Reasons to disagree: -2

1. Usually people don't spend much time studying animals at the zoo. People tend to look at the animal, watch it for a few minutes, and move on... 
2. Kids will learn more about animals by having a pet than going to a zoo. Letting your kids have a pet teaches your kids. Having a long time responsibility for an animal can teach you a lot. 
3. Kids are taught that animal rights can be ignored when going to the zoo.

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +3

# of reasons to disagree: -3

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +0

Images that agree:

Related Links:

• Near Chicago Tourism

Videos that agree:

This movie supports the conclusion because it shows that:
1. Kids can have authentic experiences with animals at zoos.

Dolphin show

Daughter dancing

Wolves

Youngest watching the giraffe. 

My oldest son doesn't know how to wear a hat...

Some zoos give animals lots of room

It is interesting watching kids learn to speak. +2

Best Videos that agree: +

Best reasons to agree: +

1. Kids come into this world knowing nothing. Without knowing any rules, just hearing other people speak, they are able to learn perhaps one of the most complex things they will ever do, in only a few years...
2. Watching kids learn to speak, can remind you of your kids when they were doing that. 
3. Just because you understand how mankind was able to learn how to speak, doesn't mean that it is less amazing, interesting, or that you should appreciate the miracle of life, and knowledge, and the ability to communicate less. 
4. in A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's court Mark Twain spoke of the "darling mispronunciations of childhood".

Best reasons to disagree: -

1. Animals don't have really complex words, but they are able to make noises, and have the begining of languages... Give them a few million years, and this could develop in non-spectacular ways, if you watched the slow progress.  

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +3

# of reasons to disagree: -1

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +2

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Best webpages that agree: +

1. http://www.ted.com/talks/deb_roy_the_birth_of_a_word.html

It is hard work but can be humorous teaching kids manners and hygiene

Best Videos that agree: +2

 

Best reasons to agree: +

1. Kids eat things they should not eat. 
1. Kids lick bird poop off sliding glass windows. 
2. When you find brown stuff in their bed, and say it looks like poop, they just might tell you, "Don't worry, it doesn't taste like poop." When you ask why they tested it, they might say, "don't worry I didn't eat it, I just put my teeth on it". PS: it was, against all assurances, poop. We told her she needs to wash her hands, because she might get sick, she tells us, "I'm already sick" (she had a runny nose).
3. Kids eat dirt.
4. Kids eat rolly pollies (not ours, yet)
2. Kids eat things that shouldn't be eaten, but won't eat anything you try to feed them. 
3. It is funny seeing a little brain that has not yet learned that it is impolite to suck your toes in public...

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +3

# of reasons to disagree: -0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +4

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +3+4/2=5

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Interest of those who agree: +

1. Sanity
2. Cleanliness
3. Sanitation
4. Control

Interest of those who disagree: -

1. Variety
2. Legacy

It is difficult to go out to eat with kids

Best Videos that agree: +

1. http://youtu.be/2gNrvIQARc8  

Best reasons to agree: +3

1. Kids love to explore new places they go to.
2. Kids don't enjoy talking, and so they entertain them selves by messing around with stuff.
3. Kids can't hold still very well.

Best reasons to disagree: -3

1. When they are really young they mostly just sleep
2. If you bring stuff for kids to play with, they are OK. 
3. Most restaurants accommodate kids. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +3

# of reasons to disagree: -3

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +0

You should back up your family videos on youtube

Reasons to agree: +6

1. All hard drives crash unexpectedly. You can trust that YouTube will not delete  you videos.
2. If you put you videos on YouTube grandparents and other relatives could watch them. Google search now includes personalized search, which means that potentially if any of your relatives are searching for "Yellowstone" because they want to use a video of Yellowstone in their school project, Google will tell show them your video of Yellowstone, with their grandparents in it... In other words Google has made it very easy for related people and friends to automatically find interesting stuff from each other...
3. It might be boring now, but ever little thing your kid did when they were babies will be interesting when they have moved out.
4. If you don't remember much from your childhood, videos can be a great way to jog your memory.
5. If you don't put names and locations and other private information in the video, there shouldn't be much that weirdos can do to harm you from watching you sing happy birthday to your kid at Olive Garden, or seeing them play soccer... They could make their own recordings of people at olive garden, or playing soccer. If you go out in public you are not private. You are being video taped. There are drones and cameras everywhere. If you have anti virus for your computer (which we do) that will do more to protect identify theft, than not sharing videos with your family.
6. It is not narcissistic to believe that your life is important: it is the most important thing that you have. It might not be important to others, but it is very important that you value your own life, because you only live once. When you die, your kids and perhaps grand kids will remember you. Maybe they will keep thumb drives with your pictures or videos on it. But if Google is going to value you enough to try to remember anything from your life, it won't matter in the end, but if it makes you feel like you won't be forgotten, that is OK. And if you have anything of value to say to grand kids or great grand kids  it could help you connect with them. It would have been great if we could have seen family life from 1000 years ago, why won't Google still have these videos 1000 years from now?

Reasons to disagree: -2

1. Putting videos of yourself can make others wonder if you are a narcissistic. 
2. Weirdos could get information from your videos to harm your family, somehow.

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +6

# of reasons to disagree: -2

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +4

The National Parks are well ran and enjoyable -2

Best reasons to agree: +

1. The government has to keep people from feeding bears, to prevent bears from becoming dependent on people. 

Best reasons to disagree: -

1. There is no reason to have government owned gas stations within the park. 
2. More buildings could be built within the state park in such a way that doesn't detract from the natural features  You could require the buildings be LEED certified, to appease the environmentalist. The could be designed so as not to interfere with wildlife. 
3. The government should be more capitalistic with our state parks, in a smart way. When I say capitalism  you think Wal-Mart. Don't. Think Apple, Whole Food, Trader Joe, or Costco. We can combine the best of capitalism and scientific preservation of a wildlife.  Charging rich people to have a premium experience can fund wildlife preservation, and fund improvements that poor people can also experience. For instance, Indian Reservations that are not controlled by the federal government build glass bottom deck floors over the grand canyon. This does not hurt anything. Of course if too many people are driving on roads, than it might disrupt migration and stuff, but we can figure this stuff out...

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +1

# of reasons to disagree: -3

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +2

Yellowstone, 1978ish. Me getting pushed around Yellowstone 
like Royalty

Summer 2011. Wild Bison! James getting carried around like royalty. 

Old Faithful, Summer 2011. Sunsets really are better in the west, when
surrounded by wild elements. 

2011. A cool bike we saw in Yellowstone

2011. Megan and I will cruse the country on bikes like this

Background and Context:

I've been to Yellowstone a couple times as a kid, once with Just Megan, and now once with our 3 kids.

I really like seeing the wild life. I remember the bison surrounding our car when I was little, seeing Bald Eagles, Elk with Megan.

Megan also went to Yellowstone as a kid, but she wouldn't get out of the car because of the smell!

Images that agree:

My parents. Grotto Geyser.

My Mom. I think this is Old Faithful. 

My Mom. I think this is Old Faithful. 

You could get a lot closer to the geysers back then. 

You would see more wildlife in the olden days. 

My parents. 

My mom and I at Mesa Falls (near Yellowstone)

In Jr. High my parents took BJ Morris and I to Yellowstone. I remember buying these shorts at Fred Meyers. 

 

In Jr. High my parents took BJ Morris and I to Yellowstone. I think this is a place called Big Springs, where you can see a whole bunch of fish, and the water comes right out of a mountain... or this might be fishing bridge...

Those shorts were awsome. BJ had a max headroom shirt. 

The Yellowstone Canyon

My dad at Old Faithful

Marvin Laub is tough

Reasons to agree: 2

1. He recovered from knee and brain surgery, never complaining, and remaining cheerful and up-beat.
2. He worked hard his whole life. Even at 79 years old he is still working, giving drivers training tests (Its not dangerous. These kids are already driving with their parents for a few months. My dad drives safe places with them, and gives them all very straight forward exams).
3. He raised 5 kids, without ever really freaking out. You have to endure a lot of stuff to do that, and he did it with great strength.

Images that agree: 2

My Dad, being tough

My dad ruff-housing with his kids (I'm the baby).

Mesa Falls Idaho is worth the trip and is well managed

Best reasons to agree: +

1. It is safe to bring your kids, as long as you watch them. Its a pretty good water fall.
2. Upper Mesa Falls is roughly 114 feet high and 200 feet wide.
3. Our daughter really liked learning about the animals, going around and touching all the different furs... Maybe she will be a fashion designer some day?

Best reasons to disagree: -

1. They should put a zip line across the canyon and charge people to go across.
2. They should build a safe way to talk down to the river.
3. They are overly protective of kids picking flowers... This lady yelled at us when our 2 year old picked a wild flower. If flowers are going extentct we should use money to grow them. We should also sell them as extremely rare items, and and use the money we make to farm them. It is nice to have stuff growing in the wild but first we need to ensure their survival. If they are not endangered, and these government-types just like the feeling of power of yelling at parents for allowing their 2 year olds to pick a flower, than we should probably change things... They have parking lots and trails that killed these flowers much worse than my daughter. Their are thousands of miles of back-country that are owned by the federal government that they don't allow roads to be built.. There are places for wild flowers to grow... But if a little girl picks a flower, than to freakin bad... I know... I know... if every little girl who visitied picked a flower, than there might not be as many flowers within 100 or 200 feet of the parking lot of these places... but for Pete's sake, if they are that endangered, we should transplant them to green houses somewhere... I don't see this lady chasing deer away from flowers... I don't see hear going into the back country, if one of these flowers is not getting enough water, and brining it water... give me a break.
4. Besides just being a place that you look at for a half an hour or so, or have a picknick at, it probably won't be to life altering of a visit. I have heard that you can walk along the canyon edge, and walk down to lower Mesa Falls, but things like that are tough to do with kids.

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +3

# of reasons to disagree: -4

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: -1 

My mom and I before they built the walk way. 

Mesa Falls is outside of Yellowstone, was close to where I went to college in 95, 98



Mesa Falls in 1998



Mesa Falls, 2011. Megan and Russ (her Brother)



Mesa Falls, 2011

At the visitor's center at Mesa Falls standing in-front of  some sort of stuffed animal. 



Rolling Stone's list of Best Albums of all time is a good one

Background, Context, and Assumptions
Of course people can judge music by whatever criteria you want. How do you judge good music (don't just say you just like it!). For instance you can judge music by these criteria:

1. How hard it is to play. For me this is not an important criteria. I guess if you play an instrument, you could enjoy a solo artist really push themselves. Craftsman ship is important. But at the end of the day, you can punch notes into a computer, and a computer could replace Eddie Van Halen's finger, but I hope it could not replace his best lyrics. Lavish craftsmanship looses most all of its appeal when not used to support an important truth.
2. How innovative it is. Creativity is a great way to decorate music, but you have to have the substance of good music, and a good melody. I have read some great criticisms of experimental a-tonal college music. 
3. Good songs can just be songs that capture a feeling really well, but in order for a song to be considered great, you would think that you would rank everything a 10... There is nothing wrong with listening to OK songs, but when listing the best songs, you should only include songs that have great lyrics with good meanings, good message, a great melody, etc...

Rolling Stone's list of Best Songs of all time is a good one
Best reasons to disagree: -

1. I would like a list of best albums that totally ignored cover art. I propose that albums should not be judged by cover art, which Rolling Stones mentions many times praising Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. 
2. I would like to see a list of the best music, that does not reward musicians for trying to be too clever. It seems like that kind of stuff comes and goes, but you can't listen to it very often, because it gets old. Lyrics should not be obscure. People are too afraid to live life, and so they hide any meaning by trying to be clever. Musicians need to learn the importance of being Ernest. 
3. Good music is music from cool people saying important things in a sincere and beautiful way. Cool people are not people who suck at life. Good music is not music written by self-obsessed losers at the middle of the night, when they can't get their life together after their girl-friend broke up with them. Its not music telling people how cool they are. It is not music from someone you don't respect saying something stupid. It is written by people you can respect, who have lived a good life and have something to say. You shouldn't be allowed to write music when your a teenager. You don't have anything to say. 
4. Music shouldn't be important because it created the hippy movement, or got girls to stop wearing bras for a few years... The music should be important if it had messages that successful people are able to believe for hundreds of years. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to disagree: -4

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: +0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: +0

Rolling Stone's list of Best Songs of all time, with reasons to agree or disagree that they are "great" songs
1 Bob Dylan Like A Rolling Stone
Best reasons to disagree: -

1. This song is just some immature looser experiencing schadenfreude when a girl falls. We all know people like this. They are called jerks. It is stupid that some guy going on about how awesome it is is when someone is having a hard time is considered the best our culture has to offer. 

2 Rolling Stones Satisfaction
3 John Lennon Imagine

Best reasons to disagree: -

1. Communalism does not work 

4 Marvin Gaye What's Going On
5 Aretha Franklin Respect
6 Beach Boys Good Vibrations
7 Chuck Berry Johnny B. Goode
8 Beatles Hey Jude
9 Nirvana Smells Like Teen Spirit
10 Ray Charles What'd I Say (Live Berlin) 1962
11 Who My Generation
12 Sam Cooke A Change Is Gonna Come
13 Beatles Yesterday
14 Bob Dylan Blowin' in The Wind
15 The Clash London Calling
16 Beatles I Want To Hold Your Hand
17 Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze
18 Chuck Berry Maybellene
19 Elvis Presley Hound Dog
20 Beatles Let It Be
21 Bruce Springsteen Born To Run
22 The Ronettes Be My Baby
23 Beatles In My Life
24 The Impressions People Get Ready
25 Beach Boys God Only Knows
26 Otis Redding (Sitting On) The Dock Of The Bay
27 Derek And The Dominos Layla
28 Beatles A Day In The Life
29 Beatles Help
30 Johnny Cash I Walk The Line
31 Led Zeppelin Stairway To Heaven
32 Rolling Stones Sympathy For The Devil
33 Tina Turner River Deep, Mountain High
34 The Righteous Brothers You've Lost That Loving Feeling
35 The Doors Light My Fire
36 U2 One
37 Bob Marley No Woman No Cry
38 Rolling Stones Gimme Shelter
39 Buddy Holly That'll Be The Day
40 Martha And The Vandellas Dancing In The Streets
41 Band The Weight
42 Kinks Waterloo Sunset
43 Little Richard Tutti Frutti
44 Ray Charles Georgia On My Mind
45 Elvis Presley Heartbreak Hotel
46 David Bowie Heroes
47 Jimi Hendrix All Along The Watchtower
48 Simon And Garfunkel Bridge Over Troubled Water
49 The Eagles Hotel California
50 Smokey Robinson The Tracks Of My Tears
51 Grandmaster Flash The Message
52 Prince When Doves Cry
53 Percy Sledge When A Man Loves A Woman
54 The Kingsmen Louie Louie
55 Little Richard Long Tall Sally
56 Sex Pistols Anarchy In The U K
57 Procol Harum A Whiter Shade Of Pale
58 Michael Jackson Billie Jean
59 Bob Dylan The Times They Are A-changin'
60 Al Green Let's Stay Together
61 Jerry Lee Lewis Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On
62 Bo Diddley Bo Diddley
63 Buffalo Springfield For What It's Worth
64 Beatles She Loves You
65 Cream Sunshine Of Your Love
66 Bob Marley Redemption Song
67 Elvis Presley Jailhouse Rock
68 Bob Dylan Tangled Up In Blue
69 Roy Orbison Crying
70 Dionne Warwick Walk On By
71 James Brown Papa's Got A Brand New Bag, Pt.1
72 Beach Boys California Girls
73 Stevie Wonder Superstition
74 Cochran Eddie Summertime Blues
75 Led Zeppelin Whole Lotta Love
76 Beatles Strawberry Fields Forever
77 Elvis Presley Mystery Train
78 James Brown I Feel Good
79 The Byrds Mr. Tambourine Man
80 Kinks You Really Got Me
81 Marvin Gaye I Heard It Through The Grapevine
82 Fats Domino Blueberry Hill
83 Beatles Norwegian Wood (this Bird Has Flown)
84 The Police Every Breath You Take
85 Patsy Cline Crazy
86 Bruce Springsteen Thunder Road
87 Johnny Cash Ring Of Fire
88 Temptations My Girl
89 The Mamas & The Papas California Dreamin'
90 The Five Satins In The Still Of The Night
91 Elvis Presley Suspicious Minds
92 The Ramones Blitzkrieg Bop
93 U2 I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For
94 Little Richard Good Golly Miss Molly
95 Carl Perkins Blue Suede Shoes
96 Jerry Lee Lewis Great Balls Of Fire
97 Chuck Berry Roll Over Beethoven
98 Al Green Love And Happiness
99 Creedence Clearwater Revival Fortunate Son
100 Gnarls Barkley Crazy


Rolling Stone's list of Best Albums of all time is a good one

Find reasons to agree or disagree that the albums below deserve their spot.

1 Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band The Beatles 1967
Best reasons to disagree: -

1. The first song on the album "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" has no meaning. It is nonsense  We are a stupid species if we are still playing it, outside of a history lesson, for personal enjoyment, 200 years from now. The words could be in a language that you don't understand, and the song would be better for you because they wouldn't distract you. Lyrics should make you think. It might be fine for them to set up the album with an alternative band, so they could do whatever they wanted, but they didn't have to subject us to it, and we shouldn't keep playing it, as if it is still important or insightful. You shouldn't be nostalgic over stupid things. If this song means anything to you, you are stupid. 

2 Pet Sounds Beach Boys 1966
3 Revolver The Beatles 1966
4 Highway 61 Revisited Bob Dylan 1965
5 Rubber Soul The Beatles 1965
6 What's Going On Marvin Gaye 1971
7 Exile On Main St. Rolling Stones 1972
8 London Calling The Clash 1979
9 Blonde On Blonde Bob Dylan 1966
10 The Beatles (The White Album) The Beatles 1968
 
11 The Sun Sessions Elvis Presley 1976
12 Kind Of Blue Miles Davis 1959
13 Velvet Underground & Nico Velvet Underground 1967
14 Abbey Road The Beatles 1969
15 Are You Experienced? Jimi Hendrix Experience 1967
16 Blood On The Tracks Bob Dylan 1975
17 Nevermind Nirvana 1991
18 Born To Run Bruce Springsteen 1975
19 Astral Weeks Van Morrison 1968
20 Thriller Michael Jackson 1982
 
21 The Great Twenty-Eight Chuck Berry 1982
22 Plastic Ono Band John Lennon 1970
23 Innervisions Stevie Wonder 1973
24 Live At The Apollo James Brown 1963
25 Rumours Fleetwood Mac 1977
26 The Joshua Tree U2 1987
27 King Of The Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1 Robert Johnson 1961
28 Who's Next The Who 1971
29 Led Zeppelin I Led Zeppelin 1969
30 Blue Joni Mitchell 1971
 
31 Bringing It All Back Home Bob Dylan 1965
32 Let It Bleed Rolling Stones 1969
33 Ramones Ramones 1976
34 Music From Big Pink The Band 1968
35 The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars David Bowie 1972
36 Tapestry Carole King 1971
37 Hotel California The Eagles 1976
38 The Anthology, 1947 - 1972 Muddy Waters 2001
39 Please Please Me The Beatles 1963
40 Forever Changes Love 1968
 
41 Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols Sex Pistols 1977
42 The Doors The Doors 1967
43 Dark Side Of The Moon Pink Floyd 1973
44 Horses Patti Smith 1975
45 The Band The Band 1969
46 Legend Bob Marley & The Wailers 1984
47 A Love Supreme John Coltrane 1964
48 It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back Public Enemy 1988
49 At Fillmore East Allman Brothers Band 1971
50 Here's Little Richard Little Richard 1957
 
51 Bridge Over Troubled Water Simon & Garfunkel 1970
52 Greatest Hits Al Green 1975
53 The Birth of Soul: The Complete Atlantic Rhythm and Blues Recordings, 1952 - 1959 Ray Charles 1991
54 Electric Ladyland Jimi Hendrix Experience 1968
55 Elvis Presley Elvis Presley 1956
56 Songs In The Key Of Life Stevie Wonder 1976
57 Beggars Banquet Rolling Stones 1968
58 Trout Mask Replica Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band 1969
59 Meet The Beatles! The Beatles 1964
60 Greatest Hits Sly & The Family Stone 1970
 
61 Appetite For Destruction Guns N' Roses 1987
62 Achtung Baby U2 1991
63 Sticky Fingers Rolling Stones 1971
64 Phil Spector, Back to Mono (1958 - 1969) various artists 1991
65 Moondance Van Morrison 1970
66 Led Zeppelin IV Led Zeppelin 1971
67 The Stranger Billy Joel 1977
68 Off The Wall Michael Jackson 1979
69 Superfly Curtis Mayfield 1972
70 Physical Graffiti Led Zeppelin 1975
 
71 After The Gold Rush Neil Young 1970
72 Purple Rain Prince 1984
73 Back In Black AC/DC 1980
74 Otis Blue: Otis Redding Singles Soul Otis Redding 1965
75 Led Zeppelin II Led Zeppelin 1969
76 Imagine John Lennon 1971
77 The Clash The Clash 1977
78 Harvest Neil Young 1972
79 Star Time James Brown 1991
80 Odessey & Oracle The Zombies 1968
 
81 Graceland Paul Simon 1986
82 Axis: Bold As Love Jimi Hendrix Experience 1968
83 I Never Loved A Man The Way I Love You Aretha Franklin 1967
84 Lady Soul Aretha Franklin 1968
85 Born In The U.S.A. Bruce Springsteen 1984
86 Let It Be The Beatles 1970
87 The Wall Pink Floyd 1979
88 Johnny Cash At Folsom Prison Johnny Cash 1968
89 Dusty In Memphis Dusty Springfield 1968
90 Talking Book Stevie Wonder 1972
 
91 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road Elton John 1973
92 20 Golden Greats Buddy Holly 1978
93 Sign O' The Times Prince 1987
94 Bitches Brew Miles Davis 1970
95 Green River Creedence Clearwater Revival 1969
96 Tommy The Who 1969
97 The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan Bob Dylan 1963
98 This Year's Model Elvis Costello 1978
99 There's A Riot Goin' On Sly & The Family Stone 1972
100 In The Wee Small Hours Frank Sinatra 1954

We can create a better list of really great songs than Rolling Stone Magazine
(Songs that aren't afraid of having meaning)
Best reasons to agree: -

1. Time by Pink Floyd is better than any of the top 10 songs on the Rolling Stone List. Your life would not be missing anything important if you never listened to "Like a Rolling Stone" by Bob Dillion. But I would feel a little bad for you if you have never really listened to Time by Pink floyed.
   Time has an important message that you should not let your life slip by. It doesn't really tell you what to do, but it much better than the other songs.
2. Cats in the Cradle by Harry Chapin has a great message. It tells you that you get out of a relationship what you put into it, and that you should sieze the day. These are important messsenges, and they are done well in the song.
3. Forever Young is a good song, because it expresses a real emotion, that is productive to explore. Thinking about mortality is benificial unlike the way that Bob Dillion is just expressing his joy at someone who used to be Rich, getting their come-up-ins in his song "Like A Rolling Stone", that Rolling Stone was the highest achiviment of Western Music.
4. Hallelujah by Rufus Wainwright summerizes a lot of history and relationships in an insightful way.
5. Just The Two Of Us by Will Smith allows people who are overly concerned with looking manley, see themselves as good dads.
6. You can disagree with Charlene but "I've Never Been To Me" makes her argument about what is important in life very well.
7. "Kiss An Angel Good Morning" by Charley Pride gives practical marriage advice. One by Creed is sort of Cheesy, but it is a great call for unity.
8. What A Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong has a great message of appreciation. Armstrongs voice is great.

You should keep track of your favorite songs