Obama wants to reward people for breaking the law.

Reasons to agree:

1. Obama said; he "will not support any bill that does not provide an earned path to citizenship for the undocumented population."

Interest of those who agree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Promoting the Republican Party by attacking a democrat.
   
2. The Rule of Law
   
3. Self interest: promoting their own race (if their race is different from the immigrant)
   

Interest of those who disagree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Promoting the Democratic Party by defending a democrat.
   
2. Self interest: promoting their own race (if their race is the same as the immigrant).
   
3. Family. Trying to re-unite with their family from South America

It is pretty messed up for Obama to have voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions

Reasons to agree:

1. This bill deals with how young girls are being secretly taken across State lines for the purpose of abortion, without the consent of their parents or even the knowledge of their parents, in violation of the laws of the State in which they live. 45 states have enacted some sort of parental consent laws or parental notification law. By simply secreting a child across State lines, one can frustrate the State legislature's rules. It is subverting and defeating valid, constitutionally approved rights parents have.


2. Getting pregnant takes a series of choices. If you get pregnant, and you are a child, you are not providing for your own food, or shelter, if you get these things from your parents, these parents who are providing for you, and you live in a state that requires their knowledge of an abortion, it should be wrong for someone who is not caring for the pregnant child, for someone who is not providing food, shelter, to take these children, and assume they know what is better for someone whom they haven't raised from when they were children, and perform an abortion on them without even telling their parents.

This is very difficult stuff to discuss, and I think I could make people hate me for bringing up either side, but I want to word stuff better, and need your help in explaining both sides.

Webpages that agree:

1. http://www.moralaccountability.com/obama-on-abortion/

This bill prohibits taking minors across State lines in circumvention of laws requiring the involvement of parents in abortion decisions (how messed-up is it that you can take someone else's kids across state lines to get an abortion, so you can BREAK the law, and it is not against the law?). Makes an exception for an abortion necessary to save the life of the minor. Authorizes any parent to sue unless such parent committed an act of incest with the minor. Imposes a fine and/or prison term of up to one year on a physician who performs an abortion on an out-of-state minor in violation of parental notification requirements in their home state.

Interest of those who agree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Promoting the Republican Party by attacking a democrat.
   
2. The desire to criticize something that a minority has said, no matter if it is right or not. Racisms. Attacking a minority because he is a minority.
3. Making themselves feel better about decisions they might have made.
4. Protecting the rights of parents.
5. Limiting the rights of the government to do bad.

Interest of those who disagree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Promoting the Democratic Party by defending a democrat.
   
2. The desire to defend something that a minority has said, no matter if it is right or not. Liberal guilt (defending a minority because he is a minority)
3. Making themselves feel better about decisions they might have made.
4. Weakening the rights of parents.
5. Expanding the rights of the government to do good.

Obama was wrong to have voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act

Reasons to agree:

1. A baby that is born is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. It is wrong to kill babies. It is especially wrong to kill babies when the baby no longer requires his or her mother to provide life. Once a baby is born, it no longer requires it's mother and could be given up for adoption. We can agree to disagree on abortions during the first few months, but partial-birth abortion is the way that lawyers, like Obama, allow a mother to kill a baby, before the feet come all the way out. By leaving the baby partially inside the mother, lawyers will say that it is not a baby. This is disgusting, and is an example of why people should specifically hate Obama, and lawyers in general.
2. Obama said that he would have supported the act, if it provided for exceptions to the mother's life. This is a lie. John K. Wilson, an Obama Supporter said; "Although these bills included an exception to save the life of the mother, they didn’t include anything about abortions necessary to protect the health of the mother. The legislation defined a fetus as a person, & could have criminalized virtually all abortion." This is a straw man argument. The bill would not have criminalized virtually all abortions. This is a bold-faced lie. John K. Wilson is making a slippery slope argument, saying that if a fetus is truly defined as a person, then some day other people could use that definition to write another law that outlawed virtually all abortions. However, the bill that Obama voted against only had anything to do with partial-birth abortions, and it is a scare tactics and lies to say that it had anything to do with anything else.
3. An "On the Issues" article says, "In 1997, Obama voted against SB 230, which would have turned doctors into felons by banning so-called partial-birth abortion". This uses very misleading wording. It says the bill would have "turned doctors into felons". This is stupid. The bill would have made it a felony in Illinois to perform "so-called" partial-birth abortions. First of all, the guy, John K. Wilson, p.147-148, uses the words "so called" partial-birth abortions, as though it is inaccurate. What happens in a partial birth abortion is the woman goes through labor, and the baby comes partly out of the womb. The baby is then killed, while the baby has been partially born. The baby is killed before it comes all the way out, because if the baby was born all the way, it would be illegal to kill it. So I don't know what John K. Wilson is complaining about by calling it "so-called" partial birth abortion, but yes the bill would have made those doctors who committed felonies, into felons. But it is not like doctors would not know that partial birth abortions were illegal. It’s not like we would surprise them, or trick them. The wording is stupid. If you made a law that said doctors can’t juggle babies, that would also turn doctors into felons. But only those doctors who ignored the law and continued their baby juggling ways.
4. Obama says that we should trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. Weather you believe partial-birth abortion is right or wrong, you can’t use that sort of logic. Obama is too smart to have used this kind of argument without knowing how stupid it is. He knows that it is a sham, but he uses this sort of logic, because stupid people agree with him. That sort of logic is exactly like saying, that we should trust men to make their own decisions about tax evasion. When you start something with the words, “Lets trust women to make their own decisions”, you are ½ the way to convincing stupid people, and you get to avoid making any decisions about something being right or wrong yourself. Q: What us your view on the decision on partial-birth abortion and your reaction to most of the public agreeing with the court’s holding? A: I think that most Americans recognize that this is a profoundly difficult issue for the women and families (and politicians) who make these decisions. They don’t make them casually (no one makes them casually? A lot of teen boys don't use condoms because they don't like the way they feel. A lot of teen age girls don't force their boyfrinds to use condoms because they don't want to make them mad. A lot of people make life decisions very casually. 1.2 million abortions in 2005. A lot of those were decisions made casually). And I trust women to make these decisions in conjunction with their doctors and their families and their clergy (yes, withing the first months of pregancy, but partial birth abortions are full term). And I think that’s where most Americans are. Now, when you describe a specific procedure that accounts for less than 1% of the abortions that take place, then naturally, people get concerned, and I think legitimately so (so we should legalize aeverything that is rare? I could make ridiculus examples, like canabalsm, to make a point, but then people would say that I'm crazy, or that I'm comparing the two. No. I'm attacking the logic. We shouldn't legalize everything that is rare). But the broader issue here is: Do women have the right to make these profoundly difficult decisions (no the broader issue is you were asked about partial birth abortion, and your trying to change the subject)? And I trust them to do it (so I'm not going to answer the question). There is a broader issue: Can we move past some of the debates around which we disagree (not if you don't answer the questions honestly) and can we start talking about the things we do agree on (oh my gosh, oh my gosh! Can you stop asking me difficult questions)? Reducing teen pregnancy; making it less likely for women to find themselves in these circumstances (just because Obama wants to ignore this practice doesn't make it go away. Ignoring it will allow it to keep happening). Source: 2007 South Carolina Democratic primary debate, on MSNBC Apr 26, 2007

Reasons to disagree:

1. Obama said that he would have supported the act, if it provided for exceptions to the mother's life. He said; "On an issue like partial birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions. I have said so repeatedly. All I've said is we should have a provision to protect the health of the mother, and many of the bills that came before me didn't have that." http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Barack_Obama_Abortion.htm

Webpages that agree:

1. http://www.moralaccountability.com/obama-on-abortion/
   

Interest of those who agree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Promoting the Republican Party by attacking a democrat.
   
2. Racism (critisizing a minority because he is a minority)
3. Making themselves feel better about decisions they might have made.

Interest of those who disagree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Promoting the Democratic Party by defending a democrat.
   
2. Liberal guilt (defending a minority because he is a minority)
3. Making themselves feel better about decisions they might have made.
   

Obama is wrong on racial affirmative action

Obama writes in his most recent book, The Audacity of Hope: "Affirmative action programs, when properly structured, can open up opportunities otherwise closed to qualified minorities without diminishing opportunities for white students."

Reasons to agree:

1. It not that big of a deal, and Obama may be correct, that it is fair to give advantages to groups that were held back. However what he says is not logically sound. You can't give advantages to one group, without taking those advantages from another group. I'm not saying that I think affirmative action is wrong, I'm just saying that you shouldn't lie to us about it. If you think that minorities have been held back, and that they need help, just tell us that, but don't lie to the majority and tell them that their "opportunies" will not be "diminishe[ed]".

Interest of those who agree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Promoting the Republican Party by attacking a democrat.
   
2. Racism (critisizing a minority because he is a minority)

Interest of those who disagree (that Obama is right):

1. Promoting the Democratic Party by defending a democrat.
   
2. Liberal guilt (defending a minority because he is a minority)

Obama was wrong to support giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants

Interest of those who agree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Promoting the Republican Party by attacking a democrat.
   
2. Racism (critisizing a minority because he is a minority)

Interest of those who disagree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Promoting the Democratic Party by defending a democrat.
   
2. Liberal guilt (defending a minority because he is a minority)

Obama was wrong to vote YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security

Reasons to agree:

1. It is nice to let illegal aliens participate in social security, but you have to be smart, and fair also. Why don't we give social security to South Americans, Europeans, or Chinese? Because they are not US citizens. Just because someone breaks into our country illegally, and hangs out here long enough to make friends, doesn't mean that we should give them social security. It might be nice (and democrats want SOOOO much for everyone to think that they are nice) but it is stupid to give non citizens benefits of citizenship, unless you are willing to say there is no such things as borders, no such thing as laws, no such thing as rules, and the government is just going to give everything to anybody who wants anything.
   

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Immigration.htm

Obama was wrong to vote NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government

Reasons to agree:

1. When the Germans, Dutch, Italian, immigrants came to America, they all learned English, so that they could fully participate in a new country.
2. E pluribus unum, Latin for "Out of Many, One"
   

Background

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Immigration.htm

Obama was wrong to flip-flop on public financing of his campaign.

Reasons to agree:

1. On January 24, 2007, in reference to his stated plan to take public financing should he procure the nomination, he said, "I think that for a time, the presidential public financing system works." On November 27, he said, "I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election," and on February 28, 2008, he wrote that he planned to "aggressively pursue" a publicly financed campaign, later promising to sit down with John McCain to ensure "a public system" of campaign financing is preserved.^[75] However, on June 19, 2008, he opted out of public campaign financing. John McCain kept his promise. Obama did not.
   

Obama is wrong to cosponsor the bill that would overturn the National Labor Relations Board's "Kentucky River" 532 U.S. 706 (2001) decision.

Reasons to agree:

1. The bill redefined many employees lacking the authority to hire, fire, or discipline, as "supervisors" who are not protected by federal labor laws. If you don't have the authority to hire, fire, or discipline, that means you are not a "supervisor".

Obama is wrong to circumvent the secret ballot requirement to organize a union

Reasons to agree

1. Union leaders (often the mob), or coworkers would intimidate you into doing what they want.
2. Unions already have too much power.
3. The secret ballot is American. Taking away the secret ballot is un-American.

Obama was wrong on the surge

Reasons to agree

1. The surge worked.
2. Obama is using a surge in Afganistan, though he is too proud to admit it. You know he said he was all about change, but this is one of those stupid lame things that shows he is just like all the other politicians.

Interest of those who agree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Promoting the Republican Party by attacking a democrat, Obama.
2. Racism (criticizing a minority, Obama, because he is a minority).
3. Defending Bush, because people became deranged, and tried blaming him for everything.

Interest of those who disagree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Promoting the Democratic Party by defending a democrat, Obama.
2. Liberal guilt (defending a minority, Obama, because he is a minority).
3. Attacking Bush because he is a republican.
4. Attacking Bush because he is Rich.
5. Attacking Bush because he was privilaged.
6. Attaching Bush because is a Jock.

Obama is wrong on immigration

Reasons to agree:

1. We must secure our borders first, and then reform immigration policy.


2. Obama wants to reward people for breaking the law.


3. Obama is wrong to always use strawman arguments. It is a straw man argument to say that "we can't round-up all the illegal alians".


4. We can't have national security without border security.

Reasons to disagree:

1. Obama is right to try to bring more educated english speaking people to America.


2. We need illegal immigrants.

Interest of those who agree (that Obama is wrong):

1. The Rule of Law


2. Self interest: promoting their own race (if their race is different from the immigrant)

Interest of those who disagree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Self interest: promoting their own race (if their race is the same as the immigrant)
   


2. Family. Trying to re-unite with their family from South America

Images that agree:

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Obama is wrong on private accounts for Social Security

Obama is wrong on private accounts for Social Security.

Reasons to agree:

1. Obama associates Republican proposals to establish private accounts for Social Security with social Darwinism. But that is not the goal. The goal is to invest in America, instead of sending the money to Washington. The goal is to harness the power of the crowed. The goal is to get a better return on your investment. Obama doesn't like the marketplace, because he thinks some people fall through the cracks. But those societies that guarantee the most for their citizens, end up giving the least.

Obama is wrong on the cap and trade auction system.

Reasons to agree:

1. Romney has said, "Governor Mark Sanford is right. Unfortunately, some in the Republican Party are embracing the radical environmental ideas of the liberal left. As governor, I found that thoughtful environmentalism need not be anti-growth and anti-jobs. But Kyoto-style sweeping mandates, imposed unilaterally in the United States, would kill jobs, depress growth and shift manufacturing to the dirtiest developing nations."
2. Its called global warming, but cap and trade only punishes the US, if China and India don't join. We should not put our businesses on an un-even playing field unless other countries go along.
3. Cap in trade does not work very well in Europe.
4. It would be better to directly invest in clean technology, instead of punishing old technology.
5. We should first do a cost benefit analysis of global warming, before we do anything harsh. Lets say we spend 5 trillion dollars every 10 years fighting global warming, but we only stop the planet from changing 1 100th of a degree. Is that success? What if it was 10 or 100 trillion dollars every 10 years? No one is even asking any of these questions. We are just going down the road blindly. Perhaps more lives could be saved with the trillions of dollars this will cost us, if we invested in other things. Who knows, if rising sea levels are the big problems, with that much money we could pump extra water to death valley, and bring some life to a lifeless area. There is still some aspect of the religious cult to the whole carbon-phobia phenomenon that wants to treat the earth like an environmental sanctuary instead of a garden.
6. Cap and trade would require a lot of regulation, new agencies, tons of overhead.
7. Emission taxes which they argue are a simple and economically efficient means of achieving the same objective. The fact that Obama approves of the cap and trade auction system shows that he is easily caught up in hype (as well as generating hype) and doesn't look at the facts.
8. Permit prices may be unstable and therefore unpredictable
9. Cap and trade systems tend to pass the quota rent to business
10. Cap and trade systems could become the basis for international trade in the quota rent resulting in very large transfers across frontiers
11. Cap and trade systems are seen to generate more corruption than a tax system
12. The administration and legal costs of cap and trade systems are higher than with a tax
13. A cap and trade system is seen to be impractical at level of individual household emissions

 

Reasons to disagree

1. We should use the markets to promote good behavior and punish bad behavior.
2. The transfer of wealth from polluters to non-polluters provides incentives for polluting firms to change.

 

Obama is wrong on the new deal.

Background: In economic affairs, in April 2005, he defended the New Deal social welfare policies of Franklin D. Roosevelt (more)

Reasons to agree:

1. Central planning never works as well as individual decisions.
2. The new deal did some good things, but in the long run, it did more damage. The new deal created the welfare state, entitlements, and the retirment of the nany state that will emplode violently with the retirment of the baby-boomers.
3. Individual people make stupid decisions. The government can try to promote good decisions. But government is run by people, and baby-kissing, phonies who buy elections by telling you what you want to hear, and taking your property and giving it to your neighbor, makes worse decisions than just letting people decide what they want to do with their own money.

Books that agree:

1. New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America (Hardcover) by Burton W., Jr. Folsom

Obama is wrong on the vouchers

Obama is wrong on the vouchers.

Reasons to agree

1. During an October 2004 debate, Obama stated that he opposed education vouchers for use at private schools because he believes they would undermine public schools. (Keyes, Obama disagree sharply, The Chicago Tribune, October 27, 2004. Archived at the www-news.uchicago.edu website. Retrieved on January 31, 2008).
2. Obama says vouchers would "would undermine public schools". This is stupid. Schools get a certain amount of money per kid. If schools have less kids, it is only right that they would get less money.