BYU treated Brandon Davies poorly

Reasons to agree

1. BYU could have punished Davies in a religious way, by denying him the sacrament, and other religious blessings, but letting him play basketball. 

Reasons to disagree

1.  Taking a hard line on morality will prevent babies being born out of wedlock. 

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With the LDS church's racial problems, they should avoid promoting white shirts as a sign of purity

Reasons to disagree

1. Skin is different than clothes. People understand that every culture inderstands that white clothes can be a symbol of cleanliness.
2. "White people" aren't white, they are a sort of pinkish, tan-ish, off white...
3. White people don't want to be too white.
4. No one said that albino is pure.

The Book of Mormon is racist

Reasons to agree:

1. It is racist that the dark skinned people in the Book of Mormon had their skin turned white, if they are righteous.

Reasons to disagree:

1. Some people say the Book of Mormon is racist against the darker skinned people of the book, because some of the authors say some quotes that sound pretty bad. However the whole book says that they were the more righteous people, and that all the white people were killed off. There were many parts of the book that authors say that the Laminates were more righteous than the Nephites.

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The treatment by LDS leaders to Black men indicates that the church is not inspired

Reasons to agree

1. You are told as a Mormon to brag to your non-Mormon friends that we have a living prophet who can tell us things that God wants us to know. If God really has a special relationship with the LDS prophet, there are no good explanations of why God would wait until 1978 for him to tell our Church to start giving Blacks the priesthood.

Reasons to disagree

1. Sure, the LDS people and leaders were racist, but when your talking about theology, it shouldn't matter when a church changed, just that it ever was Bad. It shouldn't matter that it was longer ago that Baptist preachers were slave holders. If the baptist doctrine was so flimsy that it can change from once supporting slavery, then there is not much of a doctrine that is worth while. If Catholic Popes were really bad a long time ago, it doesn't make it any worse for Mormons, that their prophet was bad more recently... You can say that the Mormon culture sucked that it was racest for so long, but if you are going to choose a church for its doctrine, then there is no church that was always good racialy, and you shouldn't be embarrassed to choose the LDS church now. Of course you should be a little humble when trying to brag how supper-duper-smart-and-in-touch with God that your prophet is, but you can still believe he is sort-of inspired.

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Obama is right about race

 

Reasons to agree with Obama:

1. Obama is right about the disparity between sentencing crack and powder-based cocaine .


2. Obama is right to try to ban racial profiling.
   


3. Obama has said: “[Those who worked on civil rights in the past realized that] to achieve racial equality was not simply good for African-Americans, but it was good for America as a whole; that we could not be what we might be as a nation unless we healed the brutal wounds of slavery and Jim Crow."


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   Obama has said; "Now, we have made enormous progress, but the progress we have made is not good enough. As many have already mentioned, we live in a society that remains separated in terms of life opportunities for African-Americans, for Latinos, and the rest of the nation." Obama is right. Its not always about race, but often about historical economic opportunities. For instance, many Irish came to American in deep poverty because they were fleeing the potato famine. African American's aren't always the victim of direct racisms, but are often the victims of racism perpetrated on their parents, which caused them to have a worse life, which caused them to live in a worse neighborhood which caused difficulty for their children. With that said, my dad was a teacher in a state that didn't pay teachers very well, who had 5 kids and a stay at home mom, and I did not have very many economic advantages. I worked hard, borrowed a lot of money for college, and am now a professional engineer. Sometimes I think people look at me, who have more privileges than I had, who think I lived a cushy life. So economic advantages can often outweigh racial disadvantages, which Obama understands.
   
   


5. Obama has said; "And it is absolutely critical for us to recognize that there are going to be responsibilities on the part of African-Americans and other groups to take personal responsibility to rise up out of the problems that we face. But there has also got to be a social responsibility, there has to be a sense of mutual responsibility, and there’s got to be political will in the White House to make that happen.” Source: 2007 Democratic Primary Debate at Howard University Jun 28, 2007
   


6. "A line in my speech at the 04 Democratic National Convention struck a chord. “There is not a black American and white American and Latino America and Asian American--there is the United States of America.” For them, it seems to capture a vision of America finally freed from the past of Jim Crow and slavery, Japanese internment camps and Mexican braceros, workplace tensions and cultural conflict--an America that fulfills Dr. King’s promise that we be judged not by the color of our skin but by the content of our character."


7. "I have no choice but to believe this vision. As the child of a black man and white woman, born in the melting pot of Hawaii, with a sister who is half-Indonesian, but who is usually mistaken for Mexican, and a brother-in-law and niece of Chinese descent, with some relatives who resemble Margaret Thatcher and others who could pass for Bernie Mac, I never had the option of restricting my loyalties on the basis of race or measuring my worth on the basis of tribe." Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.231 Oct 1, 2006


8. "So many of the disparities that exist between the African American community and the larger American community today can be traced directly to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow." ~ Source: Speech on Race, in Change We Can Believe In, p.222-3 Mar 18, 2008
   
   
   
   
   


9. Segregated schools were and are inferior schools. We still haven’t fixed them, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between today’s black and white students.
   


10. "Legalized discrimination-- where blacks were prevented, often through violence, from owning property, or loans were not granted to African American business owners, or black homeowners could not access FHA mortgages, or blacks were excluded from unions--meant that black families could not amass any meaningful wealth to bequeath to future generations. That history helps explain the wealth & income gap between blacks and whites, and the concentrated pockets of poverty that persists in so many of today’s urban and rural communities." ~ Source: Speech on Race, in Change We Can Believe In, p.222-3 Mar 18, 2008


11. "[In his State Senate race], one of Obama’s central themes was the powerful potential of multiculturalism in American society. Rather than continually castigating whites for an oppressive history of mistreating blacks, Obama suggested, blacks would do better if they infiltrated the mainstream power structure and worked from there to effect social change" ~ Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.113 Aug 14, 2007


12. “Any solution to our unemployment catastrophe must arise from us working creatively within a multicultural, interdependent economy,” Obama said. “Any African Americans who are only talking about racism as a barrier to our success are seriously misled if they don’t also come to grips with the larger economic forces that are creating economic insecurity for all workers.” ~ Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.113 Aug 14, 2007


13. "His steadfast beliefs made him less than a unifying force in Chicago’s black community. The idea of building bridges to people of all races was anathema to many old-school black leaders who still sounded a voice in Chicago’s African American community." ~ Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.113 Aug 14, 2007


14. “I believe in vigorous enforcement of our non discrimination laws. But I also believe that a transformation of conscience and a genuine commitment to diversity on the part of the nation’s CEOs could bring about quicker results than a battalion of lawyers.” ~ Source: In His Own Words, edited by Lisa Rogak, p. 34 Mar 27, 2007


15. Obama is right about the Confederate flag

Reasons to disagree with Obama:

1. Obama passed on stupid urban legends that exaggerated racial problems.


2. Obama said; “I don’t think the Democratic Party takes the African-American voters for granted. I’m happy that the president spoke at the Urban League. He should have spoke at the NAACP. I want Republicans to compete for the African-American vote. They’re not getting the African-American vote not because African-Americans aren’t open-minded, but because Democrats have consistently championed those issues-civil rights, voting rights, concern for working families-that are of greatest concern to African-American voters.” ~ Source: Meet The Press, NBC News Jul 25, 2004. Obama might be right in his explanation about why African Americans are democrats, but he is wrong about what should make someone join a party, sort-of. It is true that "Democrats have consistently championed those issues-civil rights, voting rights, concern for working families-that are of greatest concern to African-American voters” but that is not the reason you should join a political party. You don't join a party because you think that party is "on your side". You join a party because you think that political party is going to be good for your party. Obama wouldn't see it this way, but a republican would look at the things that the democratic party promises like someone should look at drugs. There is a part of you that might want it, but it will destroy your self will, yourself esteem, your community. Your drug dealer isn't your friend just because he gives you stuff. Of course this is an oversimplification. There are certain things that people need: good schools, and good services, but us republicans really respect people like Colin Powel, Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice, who don't want everything the Democratic party tries to give them. I'm not saying that people make the wrong decision to become democrats, but Obama was wrong to boil the whole question down to what party will give your people the most.


3. Obama wrongly called a Boston cop stupid. 

Obama is wrong on racial affirmative action

Obama writes in his most recent book, The Audacity of Hope: "Affirmative action programs, when properly structured, can open up opportunities otherwise closed to qualified minorities without diminishing opportunities for white students."

Reasons to agree:

1. It not that big of a deal, and Obama may be correct, that it is fair to give advantages to groups that were held back. However what he says is not logically sound. You can't give advantages to one group, without taking those advantages from another group. I'm not saying that I think affirmative action is wrong, I'm just saying that you shouldn't lie to us about it. If you think that minorities have been held back, and that they need help, just tell us that, but don't lie to the majority and tell them that their "opportunies" will not be "diminishe[ed]".

Interest of those who agree (that Obama is wrong):

1. Promoting the Republican Party by attacking a democrat.
   
2. Racism (critisizing a minority because he is a minority)

Interest of those who disagree (that Obama is right):

1. Promoting the Democratic Party by defending a democrat.
   
2. Liberal guilt (defending a minority because he is a minority)