The federal government should align compensation with the private sector

 Reasons to agree:

1. We are broke. 


2. Federal jobs have typically had better benefits, but they did not make as much as private sector jobs.


3. Even people who work for the government should acknowledge that our country is going to have a bad future, if our best and brightest work for the government.  


4. With projections of huge federal deficits for years to come, policymakers should scour the budget looking for places to cut spending


5. The OWS protest should look to government with anger at their compensation more so than looking at CEOs. 


6. During the last decade, compensation of federal employees rose much faster than compensation of private-sector employees.


7. The average federal civilian worker now earns twice as much in wages and benefits as the average worker in the U.S. private sector.


8. A recent job-to-job comparison found that federal workers earned higher wages than did private-sector workers in four-fifths of the occupations examined.


9. It is unfair to ask taxpayers to foot an ever-increasing bill for federal workers, especially when private-sector compensation has not kept pace. We pay for their jobs. They should not be making more money than us. They don't produce anything. Government should be small. It should protect us and that is about it. 

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Score:

# of reasons to agree: 1

# of reasons to disagree: -0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: 1

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Images

A picture says a thousand words. Why would we keep them out of a debate? Why not have the top 10 pictures that support AND oppose the same issue.

Of course images are returned to Google based on an algorithm, images that have higher scores will contribute more power to the idea.

(+6) We should reduce the federal workforce through attrition

Reasons to agree:

1. The federal government is too big. 


2. Federal spending should not exceed 20% of GDP (+5).

Score:

# of reasons to agree: 1

# of reasons to disagree: -0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: 1

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(10) The federal government should block grant Medicaid to the states

Reasons to agree:

1. (+6) We should return federal programs to the states.


2. Each state should be responsible for caring for their own uninsured.


3. The way medicaid is ran now, it is a right. It is an entitlement. People are gauronteed medicaid, no matter what. People get medicaid, even if the cost doubles every year. With block grants, medical inflation can be limited, but putting a limit that each state gets from the federal program. 


4. We can make it so each state that wants to increase the Medicaid benefit by $1, has to spend an extra dollar. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: 3

# of reasons to disagree: -0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 6

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: 10

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(+5) We should return federal programs to the states

Reasons to agree:

1. The states are better at innovation than the federal government.


2. The states are better at cost management than the federal government. When each state has their own program efficiency is improved because people don't see it as free money from other states that they compete with. Each dollar is valued more. 


3. The states are better at reduction of fraud than the federal government. When each state has their own program fraud is reduced because the people running the program don't see it as free money from other states that they compete with. Each dollar is valued more. 


4. The 10th amendment doesn't give the federal government the right to have social programs. The founding fathers did not like a very strong centralized power. They tried to prevent the type of government that we have become. 


5. When each state has their own program efficiency is improved because those giving out the benefits are closer to those who receive it. 


6. Sure, if the federal government had pure motivations, was innovative, efficient, rewarded good behavior, and punished bad behavior 


7. People in different parts of the country have different preferences about the generosity of entitlement programs

Reasons to disagree:

1. When each state has their own program efficiency is lost, because each state has to duplicate overhead. 


2. Some states have more oil, more coastal sea land, better environments, better temperatures... its not really fair to make the states compete with each other... we want each state to be strong, and so it is better to even them out by having centraly ran social programs. 


3. When using block grants, a state may decides to spend an extra dollar on Medicaid, it only costs state taxpayers about 43 cents at the margin, so there are incentives to overspend. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: 7

# of reasons to disagree: -3

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: 4

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(+7) We should end foreign aid to countries that oppose America's interests

Reasons to agree:

1. We should eliminate every government program that is not absolutely essential. There are many things government does that we may like but that we do not need. The test should be this: "Is this program so critical that it is worth borrowing money to pay for it?" The federal government should stop doing things we don't need or can't afford. 


2. The USA has valid interest. 


3. We are broke. 


4. We should no longer lend our strength to that which wants to destroy us.


5. International politics isn't like a family, and we are the parents. We don't have to prove to the rest of the world that our love is unconditional. We compete against other nations for resources, for hearts, and minds. We compete against authoritarian regimes that are opposed to human rights. We have valid interest. We are suckers, we are chumps, we harm ourselves, we harm our ideals, we harm the world when we give money to nations that don't share our valid interest. We reward bad behavior, and punish good behavior when we pretend there is no such thing as bad behavior, or good behavior. 


6. North Korea clearly opposes our interest. They sell nuclear technology to our enemies. When we give them money it might make our professional do-gooders feel better about themselves, but it harms our planet, prevents their reform, and harms their people and our own. 


7. Typically foreign aid takes money from poor people in rich countries, and gives it to rich people in poor countries. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: 7

# of reasons to disagree: -0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: 7

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(+1) We should eliminate Title X family planning programs benefiting abortion groups like Planned Parenthood

Reasons to agree:

1. We should eliminate every government program that is not absolutely essential. There are many things government does that we may like but that we do not need. The test should be this: "Is this program so critical that it is worth borrowing money to pay for it?" The federal government should stop doing things we don't need or can't afford. 


2. It is wrong to take money from someone and give it to a cause that they feel is murder.


3. We can't make arguments about how much some program may save us money in the future, we need to balance our budget now. Arguments about how such-and-such program might actually save the government money are always theoretical. Not spending the money in the 1st place will save 100% of the money that you don't spend.  

Reasons to disagree:

1. Mothers that don't really want their children, will raise children more likely to commit crime. 


2. In the long run government money spend on family planning will result in less government money spent on jails, schools, food stamps, etc. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: 3

# of reasons to disagree: -2

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: 1

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(+5) We should eliminate subsidies for the Amtrak

Reasons to agree:

1. It doesn't matter that more money is spent on roads, and air travel than amtrak, because more people travel these methods. The simple fact is that more is spent per mile traveled per person, with each dollar given to amtrak, vs. other methods of Government spending. 


2. According to the United States Department of Transportation's Bureau of Transportation Statistics, rail and mass transit are considerably more subsidized on a per passenger-mile basis by the federal government than other forms of transportation; the subsidy varies year to year, but exceeds $100 dollars (in 2000 dollars) per thousand passenger-miles, compared to subsidies around $10 per thousand passenger-miles for aviation (with general aviation subsidized considerably more per passenger-mile than commercial aviation), subsidies around $4 per thousand passenger-miles for intercity buses, and automobiles being a small net contributor through the gas tax and other user fees rather than being subsidized. ("Federal Subsidies to Passenger Transportation". Bureau of Transportation Statistics. Retrieved June 13, 2009.)


3. We shouldn't give money to amtrack just because we also give other forms of transportation. The question should be: can we live without funding Amtrak? If so, because we are so much in debt, we should get rid of it. The question of not spending any more money on the Federal Interstate Highway System, the Federal Aviation Administration, many airports, among many aspects of passenger aviation, is a separate question. 


4. We should reward success and punish failure. 


5. Amtrack is unprofitable


6. We spend 1.6 billion a year on Amtrack. 


7. Amtrak has proven incapable of operating as a business.


8. Amtrak does not provide valuable transportation services meriting public support.


9. Amtrak is a "mobile money-burning machine.


10. The federal government shouldn't spend money on planes, trains, and automobiles. We should pick one, if we want to fund infrastructural. 


11. Americans should support cars. They allow freedom. Giving money to train companies is sort of a socialist activity... We have to rely on someone else to get you there...

Reasons to disagree:

1. The U.S. Department of Energy considers Amtrak among the most energy-efficient forms of transportation.


2. If we are going to end subsidies to Amtrak we should also end subsidies to maintain roads, or support airline traffic. 


3. Drunk drivers are less likely to kill you on a train. 


4. As a matter of fairness Amtrak should only be expected to be as self-sufficient as the federal highway system. 


5. As of 2008:




1.  $10 billion per year was transferred from the general fund to the Highway Trust Fund.


2. $2.7 billion is granted to the FAA


3. $8 billion goes to "security and life safety for cruise ships




6. Amtrak provides all of its own security, while airport security is a separate federal subsidy. 

Score:

# of reasons to agree: 11

# of reasons to disagree: -6

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: 5

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(+5) Federal spending should not exceed 20% of GDP

Reasons to agree:

1. Because we are in debt we must examine all expenses and ask "Is this program so critical that it is worth borrowing money to pay for it?"


2. 20% of GDP is near the tax revenue our economy generates when healthy. 


3. In 2010 federal spending accounted for 24.3% of federal spending. 


4. The federal government should not spend more on social programs than the states. 


5.  We can cut 1/2 of a trillion dollars from the 2016 federal budget.  

Score:

# of reasons to agree: 5

# of reasons to disagree: -0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: 5

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(+1) Because we are in debt we must examine all expenses and ask "Is this program so critical that it is worth borrowing money to pay for it?"

Reasons to agree:

1.  Debt can kill us.

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Score:

# of reasons to agree: 1

# of reasons to disagree: -0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: 1

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Opposition to gay marriage is not equivalent of racism

Reasons to agree:

1. Racism is hatred of those that are different. You can't assume that those who feel that our country will be benefited by opposing gay marriage or motivated by hate. 


2. Not all people who oppose gay marriage are bad people, but all racist are bad people. 


3. Victims of racism and homophobia experience similar treatment, but from a political standpoint you can't just say that because one form of discrimination was bad, that all forms of discrimination is bad. Some forms of discrimination are good. It is good to discriminate against people who do bad things. We may disagree about what is a bad activity, but we will all agree that some activities should be discouraged... I know, I know what you want me to do... you want me to give an example of a very bad activity, and then you will scream at me and say how dare I compare being gay to doing that bad activity, and I will say, I wasn't comparing the two, I was just using an extreme example to prove my point, but no matter how much I win the logical debate, you will win the emotional debate, where it appeared that I was comparing being gay to doing this bad thing, which was not my intention. I have no problem with you being gay. I have no problem with gay marriage, really. But I want to play peace maker, and tell gay people that all supporters of DOMA are not bigots. 

Reasons to disagree:

1. (Leave a comment, and I'll add your argument)

Probable interest of those who agree:

1. They agree with the argument, outside of any interest or alterior motivation (30%)


2. Confirmation bias (you decide that you don't like Obama, and so this becomes the prism that you see him. People always root for the home team, because over time they start to show interest, and then each new story tells them they were correct. When the other team acts badly, you get mad. When your team acts badly, you feel justified. You continue to identify with Obama, because you once did). 


3. Your a Republican. He is on the other team. He is the enemy. 


4. Party Affiliation Group-ism (Republican). 


5. Racism.


6. Political laziness and issue crossover (15%)

Probable interest of those who disagree:

1. They agree with the argument, outside of any interest or alterior motivation (30%)


2. Pro black racial preference


3. Liberal guilt (environment).


4. Liberal guilt (race). 


5. Party Affiliation Group-ism (Democratic). 


6. The desire to promote more positive role models for our black youth


7. Self Interest.


8. Political laziness and issue crossover (15%)

Score:

# of reasons to agree: 3

# of reasons to disagree: -0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to agree: 0

# of reasons to agree with reasons to disagree: -0

Total Idea Score: 3

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