It is wrong for LDS church leaders to tell their members to find their testimony in the bearing of it +3

Reason To Agree 

1. "The oblique paradox of propaganda is that the lie in the throat becomes, by repetition, the truth in the heart". ~ John Grierson


2. It is wrong to lie. 


3. The True to the Faith Pamphlet given to every young person in the Church, says the following: "Your testimony will increase as you share it. Do not wait for your testimony to be fully developed before you share it. Part of a testimony’s development comes when it is shared. In fact, you will find that when you give what you have of your testimony, it will be returned to you—with increase." THIS IS TELLING KIDS TO LIE. TO SAY THEY KNOW THE CHURCH IS TRUE, BEFORE THEY REALLY DO!

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Fast and Testimony Meetings are bad +7

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It is confusing to know what is official LDS doctrine

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LDS Church leaders have changed many core doctrines

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1. Heber C. Kimball, an LDS prophet, said, “Some quietly listen to those who speak against the plurality of wives, and against almost every principle that God has revealed. Such persons have half-a-dozen devils with them all the time. You might as well deny ‘Mormonism,’ and turn away from it, as to oppose the plurality of wives. Let the Presidency of this Church, and the Twelve Apostles, and all the authorities unite and say with one voice that they will oppose the doctrine, and the whole of them will be damned.” Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 203:


2. LDS prophets have taught that God required Polygam, then condemned polygamy.


3. LDS prophets have taught that God was Adam, and that he was not Adam. 


4. LDS prophets have were very late to support civil rights.

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LDS Church leaders have often prophesied things that did not happen. +2

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1. "The Church and kingdom to which we belong will become the kingdom of our God and his Christ, and brother Brigham Young will become President of the United States. [Voices responded, “Amen.”] And I tell you he will be something more; but we do not now want to give him the name: but he is called and ordained to a far greater station than that, and he is foreordained to take that station, and he has got it; and I am Vice-President, and brother Wells is the Secretary of the Interior—yes, and of all the armies in the flesh. You don't believe that; but I can tell you it is one of the smallest things that I can think of. You may think that I am joking; but I am perfectly willing that brother Long should write every word of it; for I can see it, just as naturally as I see the earth and the productions thereof."  (Elder Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, Vol 5-213)


2. "In the days of Joseph it was considered a great privilege to be permitted to speak to a member of Congress, but twenty-six years will not pass away before the Elders of this Church will be as much thought of as the kings on their thrones." Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Volume 4, page 41)


3. "...it was the will of God that those who went Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh—even fifty-six years should wind up the scene. (Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 volumes, edited by Brigham H. Roberts, (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1957), 2:182)".

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1.  Gordon B. Hinkley told the story of Joseph in Egypts's 7 years of feast and 7 years of famine, before the global financial bubble burst. 

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The LDS Church has changed doctrines too much for people to worry about following it (+4)

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1. LDS Church leaders have changed many core doctrines.


2. The LDS Church used to teach that polygamy was a requirement in order to get into heaven.


3. Brigham Young used to teach in General Conference that God was the same person as Adam.


4. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! About whom holy men have written and spoken-He is our father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, V. 1. p.51)


5. Heber C. Kimball said: "You might as well deny 'Mormonism,'... as to oppose the plurality of wives. Let the Presidency of this Church, and the Twelve Apostles, and all the authorities unite and say with one voice that they will oppose the doctrine, and the whole of them will be damned."

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1.  Other Churchs also changed their doctrine. Mormons don't claim their leaders are perfect, they just say that the correct organization has been restored, and that it will keep getting better. 

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The LDS church does not have a good system for picking its leaders

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1.  It is cool to have other people choose you... it proves that its not just an ego trip, that you aspired to it

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