There are many problems with the LDS story of the first vision

Reasons to agree

1. The fact that the different versions of the vision include different visitations indicates that the story is not true


2. In 1828, eight years after he supposedly had been told by God himself to join no church, Smith applied for membership in a local Methodist church. Other members of his family had joined the Presbyterians

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The fact that the different versions of the vision include different visitations indicates that the story is not true

Reasons to agree

1. The 1832 version of the story says that only one personage, Jesus Christ, appeared to him. The 1838 version of the story says that God and Jesus Christ appeared to him. Still a third version of this event is recorded as a recollection in Smith's diary, fifteen years after the alleged vision, where one unidentified "personage" appeared, then another, with a message implying that neither was the Son. They were accompanied by many "angels," which are not mentioned in the official version you have been told about

Reasons to disagree

1. By this logic the Bible can not be true. 


2. Perhaps all the things happened but he only mentioned part of them in each writing. 

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Joseph Smith written explanations of the 1st visions contain significant contradiction

Reasons to agree

1. The fact that the different versions of the vision include different visitations indicates that the story is not true.


2. The 1832 version of the story says that only one personage, Jesus Christ, appeared to him.


3. The 1838 version of the story says that God and Jesus Christ appeared to him.

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Joseph Smith's contradicted stories of the 1st vision should lead us to question his accuracy

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1. Joseph Smith written explanations of the 1st visions contain significant contradictions. 

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Joseph Smith written explanations of the 1st visions contain significant contradictions

Reasons to agree

1. The official 

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Joseph Smith did not really see God and Jesus Christ in the "Sacred Grove"

Reasons to agree

1. Joseph Smith's contradicted stories of the 1st vision should lead us to question his accuracy. 


2. If Joseph Smith really had seen God and Jesus Christ he would have written about it sooner than 1832, 11 years after its alleged occurrence.

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(+3) The LDS church should stop having missionaries knock on random doors.

Reasons to agree

1. The Church would get more converts by doing service than knocking on people's doors. 


2. Knocking on people's doors is annoying


3. Knocking on people's doors makes more enemies than friends.


4. I know, I know... the kids have to go on missions, because Jesus told them to go, and if they go on missions they have to have things to do to keep them busy, but when they are not teaching, they should be doing service. 

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