Joseph Smith written explanations of the 1st visions contain significant contradiction

  1. The fact that the different versions of the vision include different visitations indicates that the story is not true.

  2. The 1832 version of the story says that only one personage, Jesus Christ, appeared to him.

  3. The 1838 version of the story says that God and Jesus Christ appeared to him.

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Joseph Smith's contradicted stories of the 1st vision should lead us to question his accuracy

  1. Joseph Smith written explanations of the 1st visions contain significant contradictions. 

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Joseph Smith written explanations of the 1st visions contain significant contradictions

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Joseph Smith did not really see God and Jesus Christ in the "Sacred Grove"

  1. Joseph Smith's contradicted stories of the 1st vision should lead us to question his accuracy. 

  2. If Joseph Smith really had seen God and Jesus Christ he would have written about it sooner than 1832, 11 years after its alleged occurrence.

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(+3) The LDS church should stop having missionaries knock on random doors.

  1. The Church would get more converts by doing service than knocking on people's doors. 

  2. Knocking on people's doors is annoying

  3. Knocking on people's doors makes more enemies than friends.

  4. I know, I know... the kids have to go on missions, because Jesus told them to go, and if they go on missions they have to have things to do to keep them busy, but when they are not teaching, they should be doing service. 

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The lds church should stop proselytizing missions and just do service missions

  1. Proselytizing missions are not working any more. 

  2. Pure religion, is helping others. 

  3. Missionaries could still baptize, but they wouldn't proselytizing . 

  1.  It wouldn't work. The book of Mormon doesn't have Christ setting up service missions when he visited the Americas in 3rd Nephi: he told them to go and baptize. 

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All things are done by common consent in the LDS church

  1. The church has to vote to have things included as doctrine. ie the 1979 addition to the D&C about the black and the preisthood.

  1.  The brothern tell us how things are, and we either have to do it or leave. 

  2. When I hear the words "by common consent" I think of everyone voting. Nothing like this has ever happened in the Church. 

  3. One or two "votes" in a period of 150 years of history of the Church History doesn't qualify for "ALL things being done by common consent". The Church really could do all things by common consent, now that we have the internet. Should we have built the new mall in salt lake? Should women get the priesthood? Should Bishops have to have a degree in theology? Should we have gay marriage? Does anyone know if the website "by common consent" actually advocates restructuring the way decisions are made, or do they just want individuals to pay more attention to the wise decisions of our superiors? 

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  1. all things shall be done by common consent in the church, by much prayer and faith, for all things you shall receive by faith.

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