It is hard to know for sure when the spirit has told you something is real, and so you should be able to back up your decision with logic

Reasons to agree
  1. If everyone says they are doing what God tells them to, and that we don't have to have logic, then each religion could have absolute moral authority, while all advocating the opposite conclusions.
Reasons to disagree
  1. “The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Cor. 2:14).

If the spirit tells you the Church is true, then you are going against the spirit when you investigate negative aspects of the Church.

Reasons to agree
  1. It is hard to know for sure when the spirit has told you something is real, and so you should be able to back up your decision with logic.

(-1) Some things that are true are not very useful

Reasons to agree

  1. We should judge the world, according to Gospel principles, not the church according to worldly principles

  1. The end does not justify the means.

  2. Just because truth is critical of your church doesn't mean truth should be altered. 

We should examine LDS history, unafraid of the truth.

Reasons to agree

  1. Gordon B. Hinckley: "Well, we have nothing to hide. Our history is an open book. They may find what they are looking for, but the fact is the history of the church is clear and open and leads to faith and strength and virtues." ~ Dec. 25, 2005 interview with The Associated Press
  2. God is a God of Truth
  3. God doesn't need us to lie for him
  1. Some things that are true are not very useful.
  2. If the spirit tells you the Church is true, then you are going against the spirit when you investigate negative aspects of the Church.

The LDS focus on white shirts is cult like

Reasons to agree
  1. Cults focus on controlling every aspects of their member's lives.
  2. I would say 90% of people who grew up in the 80s were told they couldn't pass the sacrament if they weren't wearing a white shirt.
  3. You get weird looks at church if you don't wear a white shirt.
  1. Catholic priest all wear the same uniform. In the Mormon church ever male member is a holder of the priesthood.
  2. The white shirt and tie is sort of arbitrary, but it is seen throughout the world as a more formal attire, and the church leaders don't want to be informal.

Explanations of symbolism associated with white shirt don't make any sense

Reasons to agree



  1. If a white shirt is a symbol of righteousness, aren't black pants, shoes, belts, and suits a symbol of evil?

  1. Just because you can take the white shirt idea to weird extremes doesn't mean it is bad.

  2. Lots of good things can be twisted to weird extremes. 



With the LDS church's racial problems, they should avoid promoting white shirts as a sign of purity

Reasons to disagree
  1. Skin is different than clothes. People understand that every culture inderstands that white clothes can be a symbol of cleanliness.
  2. "White people" aren't white, they are a sort of pinkish, tan-ish, off white...
  3. White people don't want to be too white.
  4. No one said that albino is pure.

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